>> READY?
>> WHENEVER YOU'RE READY.
>> LET'S CALL THE MEETING
TO ORDER.
WE'RE GOING TO START WITH
THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
>> I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO
THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF
AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC
FOR WHICH IT STANDS,
1 NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE,
WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE
FOR ALL.
>> VERY GOOD.
WE CAN GET THE ROLL CALL.
>> VICE MAYOR CARABALLO.
>> SHE'S HERE.
>> SHE'S HERE. SHE'S HERE.
>> COMMISSIONER CLASBY.
>> YES, MA'AM.
>> COMMISSIONER FOWLER.
>> HERE, MA'AM.
>> COMMISSIONER JOHNSON JR.
>> PRESENT.
>> COMMISSIONER LEET?
>> YES, MA'AM.
>> COMMISSIONER LOWRY?
>> YES, MA'AM.
>> MAYOR MARTIN?
>> HERE, MA'AM.
>> COUNCILWOMAN MORGAN?
>> YES, MA'AM.
>> VICE CHAIRMAN PICKETT.
>> YES, MA'AM.
>> CHAIRWOMAN ARONSON.
>> YES, MA'AM.
>> VICE MAYOR CARABALLO.
>> HERE, MA'AM.
>> ALL RIGHT.
[LAUGHS]
>> ALL RIGHT.
>> WE HAVE A POOR.
>> PERFECT. THANK YOU SO MUCH
COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC?
>> MR. JONES?
>> HELLO, EVERYBODY.
I'M TOM JONES, PRESIDENT OF
THE EDUCATION FOUNDATION.
AND I'M HERE WITH JAMES ABBOTT
WHO'S ON THE BOARD OF
THE FOUNDATION
AND HE'S THE TREASURER.
WE JUST WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU
VERY BRIEFLY A PROGRAM
THAT WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON.
THE EDUCATION FOUNDATION
IS A 501C3,
LIKE 2 BOARD MEMBERS HERE,
AND IT'S A VERY UNIQUE
ORGANIZATION
IN THAT WE WERE CREATED BY
THE SCHOOL BOARD
AND WE'RE THE ONLY NONPROFIT
THAT HAS ITS HEADQUARTERS
INSIDE THE SCHOOL DISTRICT
OFFICES.
AND WE WORK WITH THE SCHOOL
DISTRICT STAFF
EVERY SINGLE DAY IN, IN,
PRIMARILY TO ELEVATE ACADEMIC
PROGRAMS.
SO WE RAISE MONEY FROM
THE PRIVATE SECTOR,
AND WE WORK WITH THE DISTRICTS,
UH, TO, UH,
AND SOME OF THE PROGRAMS
ARE NOT READY FOR PRIME TIME,
SO WE'RE WORKING ON THINGS THAT
WE OR THE THAT THAT
THAT, UH, THAT WE, WHERE
THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WOULD
LIKE, UH, TO, TO SEE COME
INTO THE PROGRAM.
WE'VE CREATED A CENTER
OF INNOVATION
WHICH IS A ROOM VERY MUCH
LIKE THIS THAT
WAS DONATED TO US BY THE
SCHOOL DISTRICT AND WE HAVE UM,
STARTED TO WORK WITH STUDENTS
ON PROGRAMS.
UH, WE FOLLOW THE SCHOOL
DISTRICT NEEDS,
SO AS AN EXAMPLE, WE'RE VERY BIG
IN THE SPACE
OF EARLY LITERACY, KK THROUGH 3,
AS WELL AS PHONICS, K THROUGH 5.
BUT WE ALSO WORK WITH STEM,
SCIENCE, TECHNOLOGY,
ENGINEERING, AND MATH.
AND IN THAT SPACE, UH,
JAMES ABBOTT CAME UP
WITH AN IDEA TO TEACH STUDENTS
A PROGRAM IN AI
TO SOLVE A COMMUNITY PROBLEM,
AND THEY CHOSE TRAFFIC.
SO WHAT THEY'RE DOING TODAY IS
WRITING CODE TO, UM,
TO CHANGE TRAFFIC LIGHTS
IN ACCORDANCE WITH TRAFFIC
PATTERNS.
SO WE'VE BEEN MODELING THIS NOW
FOR TWO YEARS.
WE WENT OUT TO THE PUBLIC.
WE HAVE FUNDING FROM COMCAST
AND SOME BUILDERS.
THEY HAVE A LOT OF INTEREST
IN THIS.
AND JAMES, I WANT TO ASK JAMES
TO STEP UP
AND TELL YOU ABOUT THE PROGRAM.
OUR INTEREST TODAY IS VERY
SIMPLY TO SHARE THE IDEA.
WE'VE ALREADY SPOKEN TO, ONE
CITY AND TO THE COUNTY,
BUT OUR INTEREST IS TO SHARE
THE IDEA.
AND WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO
IS EVENTUALLY,
ONCE THE PROGRAM IS STABILIZED,
IS GIFT IT TO ANY OF THE
AGENCIES
IN THE COUNTY THAT, THAT, THAT
WOULD LIKE IT.
PART OF THE PROGRAM IS ALSO TO
DO A TEST
AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT DOING
A TRAFFIC TEST
AT A SCHOOL, UM, AT
A SCHOOL SITE.
SO THIS IS JUST A WORK
IN PROGRESS
BUT I WANTED TO HAVE
THE OPPORTUNITY
TO SPEAK TO ALL OF YOU AND, UM,
AND THIS IS JAMES ABBOTT.
>> SO IN THE INTEREST OF TIME,
WE'VE OPENED IT UP, SO IF YOU,
WHETHER YOU'RE
ON YOUR LAPTOP OR
ON YOUR PHONE,
IF YOU WENT TO PROJECT001.AI,
YOU WOULD SEE OUR CURRENT
RENDITION OF IT RUNNING.
SO IT'S PROJECT001.AI.
AND YOU SHOULD BE ABLE
TO SEE THE VIDEO THAT
WE RECORDED AND HOW IT'S
IDENTIFYING CARS
AND IT'S CALCULATING
WHEN THE TRAFFIC LIGHT
SHOULD CHANGE BASED ON TRAFFIC
NOT BASED ON TIMERS,
RIGHT, OR SENSORS, RIGHT,
IT USES OBJECT DETECTION
TO BE ABLE TO DETECT CARS,
TRUCKS, PEOPLE,
MOTORCYCLES, FIRST RESPONDERS,
AND BY FOR EXAMPLE
FIRST RESPONDERS, IF IT SEES ONE
COMING DOWN THE ROAD WITH ITS
LIGHTS FLASHING,
IT CAN AUTOMATICALLY
SEND A SIGNAL
TO THE TRAFFIC LIGHT SYSTEM
TO SAY CHANGE THE LIGHTS,
MOVE THE CARS OUT OF THE WAY.
NOW, I KNOW WE HAVE THAT NOW,
BUT THIS ONE IS ABLE TO LOOK
AT THE TRAFFIC,
DETERMINE THE BEST WAY
TO GET THE CARS OUT
OF THE WAY, NOT JUST TURN
THE LIGHT GREEN,
RIGHT, WHICH IS WHAT THEY DO.
THEY TURN THE LIGHT GREEN,
AND WE'RE HOPING
EVERYONE GETS OUT OF THE WAY.
THESE ALGORITHMS WILL SAY,
"OKAY, I SEE THE LAYOUT
OF THE CARS, THIS IS
WHAT I NEED TO DO TO GET THEM
OUT OF THE WAY."
BUT THAT'S IN THE INTEREST
OF TIME.
I KNOW WE'RE LIMITED.
WE WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU,
AND WE'D LIKE TO WORK WITH
THE TPO TO SAY,
"HEY, YOU KNOW, LET'S WORK
TOGETHER,"
AND THEN WE CAN GIFT THIS
TO THE, TO THE CITIES.
AND WE'RE WORKING WITH
HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS TO DO THIS,
RIGHT?
WHEN I CAME UP WITH THE IDEA,
ME AND MY FRIEND SAID, "WELL, WE
COULD DO THIS."
AND I SAID, "NO, LET'S WORK
WITH STUDENTS
WHO COULD LEARN FROM IT.
AND IT WILL HELP THEM
GET SCHOLARSHIPS
AND GET JOBS," RIGHT, IF THEY
IF THEIR NAMES'
ATTACHED TO THIS SO
THAT'S, ANYWAY
THAT'S, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S
ANY QUESTIONS,
BUT THAT'S ALL I WANT TO SAY.
THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, MR. ABBOTT.
>> MADAM CHAIR, I HAVE
A QUESTION.
>> YEAH.
>> WHAT WAS THE WEBSITE AGAIN?
I'M SORRY.
>> PROJECT001.AI.
>> YEAH, AI
>> YEAH.
>> WAIT, I'M WATCHING THE CARS,
RIGHT?
>> MADAM CHAIR.
>> RIGHT.
>> AH, MR., COMMISSIONER CLASBY?
>> SO, THE REASON YOU CAN SEE IT
NOW IS BECAUSE
MY COLLEAGUE TURNED
OFF THE SECURITY, RIGHT?
AND I SAID, "TURN IT OFF
FOR THIS MEETING
SO IF THEY WANTED
TO LOOK AT IT,
THEY COULD SEE IT," RIGHT?
AND YOU COULD SEE THE BOX
THAT SAYS, THIS IS
THE AREA THAT I'M USING TO
DETERMINE THE NUMBER OF CARS
AND SO FORTH, RIGHT?
>> MR. ABBOTT, ONE MOMENT.
COMMISSIONER CLASBY HAS
A QUESTION.
>> YES, SO YOU HAVE A BUNCH OF
REALLY IMPORTANT
HIGHWAY PEOPLE
BEHIND YOU THERE,
SO YOU MIGHT WANT TO SHARE
YOUR PART WITH
SOME OF THEM AS WELL.
[LAUGHTER]
>> OH, YEAH.
>> YEAH, WE WOULD LOVE TO, YOU
KNOW,
WE REALLY WOULD LIKE TO WORK
WITH, [CROSSTALK]
I'LL SAY YOU GUYS, RIGHT,
BECAUSE
1 OF THE THINGS YOU'LL
EVENTUALLY
BE ABLE TO DO, YOU'VE GOT AMBER
ALERTS AND SILVER ALERTS.
EVENTUALLY, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO
TYPE IN
A LICENSE PLATE AND IT WILL FIND
WHERE
THAT VEHICLE IS IF NEED BE,
RIGHT?
BASED ON IF WE HAVE THE CAMERAS
IN THE RIGHT PLACE,
IT CAN IDENTIFY WHERE IT WAS AND
WHERE IT'S BEEN.
SO INSTEAD OF RELYING ON PEOPLE
IN THEIR CARS,
YOU CAN USE THE CAMERAS TO SAY
FIND THAT LICENSE PLATE, RIGHT,
AND THEN IT'LL TELL YOU
EITHER WHERE IT'S BEEN OR WHERE
IT'S AT.
>> MR. ABBOTT, VICE MAYOR
CARABALLO HAS A COMMENT.
>> THANK YOU.
THANK YOU SO MUCH
FOR THAT PRESENTATION AND
OBVIOUSLY,
THE WORLD IS MOVING FASTER THAN,
A LOT FASTER THAN THOSE CARS
THERE, SO.
>> YEAH.
>> BUT I WANTED TO SAY A COUPLE
THINGS.
1 IS IF THE CHILD ISN'T
CURRENTLY
IN THE COUNTY STUDENT GOVERNMENT
PROGRAM OR IS
A RESIDENT OF THE CITY AND WOULD
LIKE TO BE PART
OF THAT CITY STUDENT GOVERNMENT
PROGRAM,
I REALLY HOPE THEY REACH OUT
BECAUSE
I KNOW THAT OUR STUDENT
GOVERNMENT PROGRAM AND
THE MAYOR IS THE 1 THAT HEADS IT
UP,
SHE COULD PROBABLY SPEAK TO YOU
EVEN MORE,
IS WE PURPOSELY GIVE OUR
CHILDREN
LIKE PLANNING EXERCISES AND
DIFFERENT TYPE OF EXERCISES TO
PROVIDE FEEDBACK
TO COUNCIL, SO THAT, I THINK, IS
FANTASTIC
AND I KNOW THE COUNTY HAS A
STUDENT
GOVERNMENT PROGRAM AS WELL.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, IF YOU,
IF THE STUDENT IS WILLING, IF
THEY WOULD LIKE
TO REACH OUT TO MY OFFICE,
TO THE COUNCIL OFFICE, I WANT TO
GET THEM
WITH THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF
CITIES BECAUSE I DO
BELIEVE THAT THEY HAVE A
SCHOLARSHIP
PROGRAM FOR PROCESSES LIKE THIS.
I DON'T KNOW IF FAC DOES AS
WELL.
AND I'LL BE MORE THAN GLAD TO
GET THEM IN CONTACT
WITH THAT SO THEY CAN APPLY FOR
THE SCHOLARSHIP.
I CAN'T REMEMBER, SHANNON,
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER,
>> I THOUGHT DALY DID IT, JOHN,
MAYOR DALY FROM TALLAHASSEE
IS THE 1 THAT DOES THE PROGRAM.
>> HMM. CAN'T REMEMBER.
>> I THINK THAT THEY DO HAVE A
PROGRAM
FOR INNOVATIONS LIKE THIS FROM
YOUTH
THAT THEY GET A SCHOLARSHIP FOR,
SO I WANT
TO MAKE SURE I GET THEM SET UP
WITH THAT.
>> MR. ABBOTT WE CAN REACH YOU
THROUGH
MR. JONES AT THE EDUCATION
FOUNDATION
IF WE NEED TO GET IN TOUCH?
>> YEAH. AND I DO WANT,
I DO WANT TO SAY
WE DO HAVE A CLASSROOM SETTING
LIKE TOM SAID AND
THEN ALSO THAT COMCAST HAS GIVEN
US
$50,000 TO WORK ON THIS PROJECT,
RIGHT?
SO WE DO HAVE SUPPORT FROM
OUTSIDE, RIGHT?
AND THEN AKIL CONSTRUCTION, WHEN
HE SAW IT,
HE GAVE US SOME MONEY, TOO.
SO ANYWAY, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF
SUPPORT
AND I'M HOPING WE GET SUPPORT
FROM YOU GUYS
BECAUSE THIS IS A LOT CHEAPER
THAN
HIRING SOME BUSINESS THAT'S
GOING
TO CHARGE YOU MILLIONS OF
DOLLARS FOR THE SAME THING.
[LAUGHTER]
>> WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO CHARGE?
[LAUGHTER]
>> THANK YOU.
>> CONGRATULATIONS.
THANK YOU MR. ABBOTT.
>> REAL QUICK, THE ANSWER IS 0.
WE'RE NOT CHARGING ANYTHING
BECAUSE
WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS HELP THE
STUDENTS
LEARN A SKILL, AND WE WANT
TO HELP
SOLVE A, A PROBLEM AND SO WE'RE
LOOKING FOR
CITIES AND THE COUNTY TO JUST
CONTACT US.
WE KNOW THERE'S HURDLES,
OKAY, THERE'S LEGAL HURDLES TO
GO THROUGH.
WE HAVE TO STABILIZE THE
SOFTWARE, BUT WE'RE
PATIENT AND WE WOULD JUST LIKE,
LIKE, LIKE TO START
TO WORK, TO WORK WITH EVERYONE
AND WE THOUGHT THAT
THIS ORGANIZATION WAS A GREAT
START.
>> YOU CERTAINLY HAVE THE RIGHT
PEOPLE IN THUS AUDIENCE.
OH, COMMISSIONER JOHNSON?
I HAVE A COMMENT, MADAM CHAIR,
THANK YOU.
I WOULD ALSO RECOMMEND THAT YOU
BRING THIS
SHOW TO THE FIRE BOARD SIMPLY
BECAUSE
WE JUST SPENT MONEY ON
PREEMPTIVE SYSTEMS
TO DO SOME OF THIS, AND SO THIS
TYPE OF TECHNOLOGY
CAN MAYBE HELP US FURTHER EXPAND
WHERE WE ON OR ALREADY COVERING,
BUT ALSO
GIVE US POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS FOR
THE FUTURE, RIGHT?
AND SO I KNOW OUR CITIES AND THE
COUNTY JUST
ENTERED INTO SOME OF THESE
CONTRACTS TO DO EXACTLY
WHAT YOU JUST EXPLAINED.
SO I'D BE INTERESTED IN LEARNING
A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THIS.
>> GOOD IDEA, MR. JOHNSON.
>> YES, THANK YOU.
>> JUST SO YOU KNOW,
MY BACKGROUND IS BOTH FINANCE
AND TECHNOLOGY
AND I RETIRED FROM MICROSOFT
WHERE WE WORKED
ON STUFF LIKE THIS, RIGHT, IN
THE FINANCE SPACE.
SO WE DO HAVE A GREAT DEAL
OF KNOWLEDGE FROM MY CONTACTS.
BUT ANYWAY, I JUST WANT TO SAY
THAT.
>> AND I'M SURE THIS WON'T
BE THE LAST
WE SEE OR TALK TO YOU TO BOTH
OF YOU ABOUT THIS, SO.
BUT THANK YOU FOR THE
PRESENTATION.
ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS?
MS. MERASA.
[INDISTINCT CHATTERING]
>> GOOD AFTERNOON. FOR THE
RECORD,
MY NAME IS JILL MERASA.
I AM WITH ASHLEY CAPITAL.
BACK IN DECEMBER WE CAME BEFORE
THE BOARD
UM, FOR ASKING FOR CONSIDERATION
OF A REALIGNMENT
OF THE, THE SOUTHWEST VILLAGE
PARKWAY
BRIDGE CONNECTOR BETWEEN
MARTIN AND ST. LUCIE COUNTIES.
AT THAT MEETING, NO ACTION WAS
TAKEN.
AND SINCE THAT TIME, UH,
WE HAVE CONDUCTED SOME
ADDITIONAL RESEARCH.
WE HAVE SENT THAT TO EACH
OF THE MEMBERS YESTERDAY
AFTERNOON.
WE HOPE YOU ALL RECEIVED. IF YOU
DID NOT, I HAVE
ADDITIONAL COPIES IF YOU NEED
UM,
THAT DOCUMENTATION INCLUDES
MEMORANDUM
FROM BARBAS CREMER WHO ARE LEGAL
EXPERTS IN THE
FIELD OF LEGISLATIVE
INTERPRETATION,
AND ALSO A LETTER OF
SUPPORT FROM CONGRESSMAN BRIAN
MAST'S OFFICE,
WHO SERVES ALL OF US ON THE
INFRASTRUCTURE
AND TRANSPORTATION COMMITTEE.
ALSO, DISTRICT DIRECTOR JORDAN
SEJOUR IS HERE TODAY
IN CASE YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS
REGARDING THAT LETTER.
AND SO, WE'RE HERE TODAY TO COME
BACK TO YOU.
WE HOPE YOU HAD AN OPPORTUNITY
TO REVIEW
WHAT WE'VE SENT AND TO KINDLY
ASK YOU AT THIS
MEETING IF YOU WOULD CONSIDER
PUTTING THAT REALIGNMENT ON THE
2050 PLAN
AS WE REQUESTED BACK IN
DECEMBER.
SO, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
>> AND 1 MOMENT, MS. MERASA.
I THINK, UH, MAYOR MARTIN?
>> YEAH. SO, THANK YOU. MADAM
CHAIR.
I'M GONNA RESERVE MY COMMENTS
FOR WHEN WE GET TO THE
LONG-RANGE PLAN
BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE IT IS ON
THE AGENDA,
BUT I DO HAVE A LOT TO SAY ABOUT
IT.
SO, I JUST WANT TO SAY I'LL
DEFINITELY PROVIDE THEM
BY THAT TIME SO WE CAN CONTINUE
WITH THE MEETINGS SINCE IT'S AN
AGENDA ITEM.
>> AND YOU AND YOUR TEAM WILL BE
STAYING WITH
US, I IMAGINE?
>> YES.
>> OKAY VERY GOOD. THANK YOU.
ANY FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT?
ALL RIGHT, SEEING NONE COMMENTS
FROM ADVISORY
COMMITTEE MEMBERS TAC, CAC, AND
BPAC.
MR. BUCHWALD?
>> NO MA'AM. NO CO-,
I HAVE NO COMMENTS AT THIS TIME.
>> OKAY.
THEN WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE
APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA.
I NEED A MOTION.
>> MOVE APPROVAL.
>> [CHORUS] SECOND.
>> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR?
>> [CHORUS] AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
AGENDA IS APPROVED.
APPROVAL OF MEETING SUMMARY FOR
DECEMBER 3RD.
NEED A MOTION.
>> MOTION TO APPROVE.
>> SECOND.
>> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
>> I DO HAVE 1 CORRECTION
>> ABSOLUTELY.
>> ON THE VERY LAST PAGE WHERE
IT STATES WHERE COUNCILWOMAN
MORGAN
ALSO UPDATED MEMBERS ON THE
RENAMING
AND THE, AND REMARKED THAT LIGHT
POLES WERE BEING
INSTALLED ON COMMERCE BOULEVARD.
THAT WAS THE TRAFFIC LIGHT BEING
INSTALLED
AT COMMERCE AND GLADES CUT-OFF.
>> THANK YOU.
>> DO YOU HAVE THAT, THERESA?
>> YES.
>> OKAY.
VERY GOOD.
SO, WE WILL MAKE THAT
CORRECTION.
SO, I NEEDED A MOTION WITH THE
CORRECTION.
>> MOTION TO APPROVE WITH
CORRECTIONS.
>> SECOND.
>> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
>> [CHORUS] AYE.
>> ANY OPPOSED?
ALL RIGHT, MEETING SUMMARY IS
APPROVED.
ACTION ITEMS, THE FIRST 1 8A,
2026 SAFETY PERFORMANCE TARGETS.
>> THANK YOU MADAM CHAIRWOMAN
AND AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
GOOD AFTERNOON.
WELL IN ACCORDANCE WITH FEDERAL
REQUIREMENTS,
THE TPL ADOPTS TARGETS ANNUALLY
FOR
5 SAFETY PERFORMANCE MEASURES.
AND HERE TO PRESENT THE LATEST
ANNUAL DATA FOR THOSE
MEASURES AND PROPOSED SAFETY
TARGETS FOR 2026
IS THE TPO'S TRANSPORTATION
SYSTEMS MANAGER, YI DING. YI.
>> THANKS, PETER.
GOOD AFTERNOON, MADAM CHAIR
AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
THE TRANSPORTATION PERFORMANCE
ENSURES THAT MPOS AND THE STATE
DUTIES
CHOOSE THE MOST EFFICIENT
INVESTMENT ON
THE FEDERAL TRANSPORTATION
FUNDS.
THERE ARE 3 REQUIRED
TRANSPORTATION PERFORMANCE,
SAFETY, ALSO KNOWN AS PM1,
BRIDGE AND PAVEMENT, PM2,
AND SYSTEM PERFORMANCES, PM3.
STATE DOTS ARE REQUIRED TO
ESTABLISH
THE STATEWIDE TARGETS AND MPOS,
TPOS HAVE THE CHOICES TO EITHER
SUPPORT
THE STATEWIDE TARGETS OR SET
THEIR OWN TARGETS.
THE SAFETY TARGETS ARE REQUIRED
TO BE
SET EVERY YEAR AND THERE ARE
5 SAFETY PERFORMANCES MAJOR
UNDER THAT.
NUMBER OF FATALITIES, NUMBER OF
SERIOUS INJURIES,
NUMBER OF NON-MOTORIZED FATALITY
AND SERIOUS INJURIES,
FATALITY RATES, AND SERIOUS
INJURY RATES.
SO SINCE 2017, FDOT HAS
ESTABLISHED
0 TARGETS EVERY YEAR, AND TPO
SUPPORTS THE SAME
TARGETS AS FDOT 0 TARGETS EVERY
YEAR, AS WELL.
SO, THE DEADLINE FOR MPO AND TPO
TO EITHER SUPPORT
FDOT'S TARGETS OR ESTABLISH
THEIR TARGETS IS FEBRUARY 27.
SO IN THE NEXT FEW SLIDES, I'M
GOING TO GO OVER
THE NEWLY RELEASED 2024 TPO
SAFETY PERFORMANCE
RESULTS AND COMPARE THAT TO THE
HISTORIC DATA
AND WE'RE GOING TO SEE THE TREND
IN THE TQ AREA.
ON THE SCREEN, THE BLUE LINES
REPRESENT ANNUAL DATA.
SO THAT'S THE YEAR DATA.
AND THE RED LINES ARE FIVE-YEAR
ROLLING AVERAGES,
WHICH IS USED BY THE FEDERAL TO
SET PM1 TARGETS.
FOR FATALITY IN 2024, THE NUMBER
INCREASED
TO 51 FROM 49 THE PREVIOUS YEAR.
AND THE ROLLING AVERAGE IS, WE
CAN SEE IT'S GOING
UP A LITTLE BIT, BUT A CONSIDER
TO THE RAW DATA FOR 2025,
YOU CAN SEE IT'S DROPPED TO 37
FOR 2025
BUT THAT IS INCOMPLETE YEAR
DATA.
IT'S ONLY THROUGH THE NOVEMBER
2025, BUT IT'S
THE TREND STILL DOWN TREND.
AND FOR FATALITY RATE, THE
ANNUAL
DATA AND THE ROLLING AVERAGE
DATA,
THEY BOTH SLIGHTLY INCREASED FOR
2024.
SERIOUS INJURY FOR TPO AREA FOR
2024 THE ANNUAL
DATA DECREASED FROM 187 TO 152
AND FURTHER DECREASED TO 109 FOR
2025.
AND FOR SERIAL STRANGER RATE,
THE ANNUAL DATA AND
THE ROLLING, THE ANNUAL DATA IS
DECREASED FROM 4.73.
THAT IS CRASHES PER 100 MILLION
MILES OF VEHICLE TRAVEL.
AND THAT'S DECREASED TO 3.73.
THAT'S A VERY DRAMATIC DECREASE.
NON-MOTORIZED FATALITY AND
SERIOUS INJURIES.
SO THOSE ARE CRASHES FOR
PEDESTRIAN AND THE BICYCLIST.
AND FOR 2024, THE NUMBER DROPPED
FROM 35 FOR 2023 TO 22, WHICH IS
GREAT.
AND THE INCOMPLETE 2025 DATA
JUMPED UP TO 27.
5-YEAR ROLLING AVERAGE IS
PRESENTED
DOWN TREND, DOWN TREND, DOWN
SIDE TREND.
ON THE SCREEN IS BOTH FDOT'S
HISTORIC DATA
AND TPO'S HISTORIC DATA.
ALSO, THE INTERIM BENCHMARKS WE
SET LAST YEAR
TO TRACK THE PROGRESS MEETING
WITH THE 0 TARGETS.
THAT IS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE
SCREEN
BOX BY THE RED LINE.
AND FOR STATEWIDE, ALL 5
PERFORMANCE
MEASURES ARE DECREASED,
WHICH IS GREAT FOR THE WHOLE
STATE.
AND ON THE OTHER HAND,
ALL 5 SAFETY PERFORMANCES
INCREASED FOR TPO AREA,
AND WE MISSED THE BENCHMARKS WE
SET FOR 2024.
HOWEVER, THE 2024 ANNUAL DATA
FOR
TPO COMPARED TO THE PREVIOUS 4
YEARS
IDENTIFY A REVERSE TREND.
2024 HAS THE LOWEST RESULTS
OF THE 5 YEARS THAT COMPRISE
A FIVE-YEAR ROLLING AVERAGES AND
THE SERIOUS INJURY,
SERIOUS INJURY RATES AND
NON-MOTORIZED FATALITY
AND SERIOUS INJURIES,
THEY ALL DID MEET THE INTERIM
BENCHMARKS.
SO THE MOST RECENT 2025 DATA
CONFIRMS
THAT DOWNWARD, DOWNWARD TREND.
IN ADDITION, THE TPO CONTINUES
TO OUTPERFORM OTHER
MPO TPOS WITH A POPULATION IN A
SIMILAR SIZE
WHICH IS BETWEEN 300,000 TO
400,000
IN ALMOST ALL SAFETY PERFORMANCE
RESULTS.
SO THOSE ARE REPRESENTED BY THE
RED CHART,
RED BAR IN THE GROUP.
WE CAN SEE TPO IS DOING GREAT
AMONG THE
OTHER NPOS.
FOR CALENDAR YEAR 2026, FDOT
CONTINUES TO STAY
WITH ITS VISION 0 TARGETS,
AND THE TPO HAS BEEN SETTING
INTERIM
BENCHMARKS TO MONITOR
THE PROGRESS TOWARDS MEETING
THOSE
TARGETS AND TO CONTINUE TO SHARE
THE FDOT'S
APPROACH TO SAFETY THAT THE
DEATH OR INJURY
OF ANY PERSON IS UNACCEPTABLE.
SO IT IS RECOMMEND THE TPO
TO ADOPT THE SAME TARGETS AS
FDOT'S 0 TARGETS FOR 2026.
AND KEEP THE SAME TARGETS AS
THE SAME INTERIM BENCHMARKS,
SAME AS 2025 FOR 2026,
WHICH IS AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS
SCREEN.
SO THE TOP REASONS FOR THE
TRAFFIC CRASHES
AND THE FATALITY CONTINUE TO BE
THE SPEEDING
AND THE DISTRACTED DRIVING.
SO THEREFORE, THE TPO CONTINUES
ITS EFFORTS
TO IMPROVE THE ROADWAY SAFETY
THROUGH THE
SPEED MANAGEMENT AND WHICH IS A
SPEED
KIOSK ANALYSIS TPO CONDUCTED IN
2021
AND THE SPOT SPEED STUDIES WHICH
EXAM
THE TRAVEL SPEED AND THE
POST-SLEEP SPEED
ON SOME KEY ARTERIAL SEGMENTS.
ALSO, TPO HAS CHOOSE A
HANDS-FREE FLORIDA AS A
LEGISLATIVE PRIORITY FOR THE
2026 FLORIDA LEGISLATIVE SESSION
TO REDUCE DISTRACTED DRIVING.
SO, THE TPO ADVISORY COMMITTEE
RECOMMENDED TO ADOPT THE SAME 0
TARGETS,
FDOT'S FINAL TARGETS,
AND THE PROPOSED INTERIM
BENCHMARKS FOR 2026,
WHICH IS SHOWING ON THE SCREEN.
SO, THAT WILL CONCLUDE MY
PRESENTATION ON
THE SAFETY PERFORMANCES
AND HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY
QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
>> THANK YOU.
OKAY, SO THAT WAS A VERY
COMPREHENSIVE PRESENTATION,
BUT WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE,
THE ACTION ITEM IS TO ADOPT THE
TARGETS
OR NOT, THAT HE DID SHOW TO US
THAT
WE ARE DEMONSTRATING A DECREASE
IN FATALITIES
AND SERIOUS INJURIES, WHICH IS
GOOD TO NOTE.
BUT AGAIN, THE ACTION ITEM IS
WHETHER OR NOT
WE ARE ADOPTING THE TARGETS OF
THE FDOT.
>> MOTION TO [INAUDIBLE].
>> SECOND.
>> FURTHER DISCUSSION?
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
>> [CHORUS] AYE.
ANY OPPOSED?
>> THANK YOU.
ALL RIGHT MOVING ON TO 8B
COMMUNITY PARTICIPATION PLAN.
>> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR
AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
WELL, IN ADDITION TO ADOPTING
SAFETY
TARGETS EVERY YEAR, THE TPO
EVALUATES ITS EFFECTIVENESS
IN IMPLEMENTING THE PUBLIC
OUTREACH STRATEGIES
OF THE COMMUNITY PARTICIPATION
PLAN,
THE LATEST OF WHICH WAS ADOPTED
JUST LAST FEBRUARY.
SO, NOW IS THE TIME TO EVALUATE
HOW EFFECTIVE
THE TPO'S PUBLIC OUTREACH
FOR THE NEWLY ADOPTED PLAN WAS
LAST YEAR.
AND HERE TO PRESENT THE ANNUAL
EVALUATION
IS THE TPO STYLE 6 PROGRAM.
MARCIA LAO, LET'S SEE IT.
>> THANK YOU, PETER.
MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE
BOARD.
COMMUNITY PARTICIPATION SUPPORTS
THE PUBLIC'S ROLE
IN TRANSPORTATION DECISIONS.
IT REQUIRES TWO-WAY
COMMUNICATION
AND, UM, COMMUNITY IS ANYONE WHO
HAS AN INTEREST
IN THE FUTURE OF ST. LUCIE
COUNTY.
IT'S A PROCESS THAT RANGES FROM
INFORMING TO EMPOWERING,
SO, IT'S A KIND OF HIERARCHICAL
PROCESS.
WE TRY TO BUILD CONSENSUS AND
REACH AGREEMENT,
AND THEN WE HAVE A WHOLE
EVALUATION PROCESS.
THE EVALUATION PROCESS IS
DESCRIBED IN THE TPO'S
COMMUNITY PARTICIPATION PLAN
THAT WAS ADOPTED LAST YEAR.
SO IN-HOUSE STAFF HAS MONTHLY
MEETINGS
DEVOTED TO PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT,
AND THEN WE DO QUARTERLY
PROGRESS REPORTS,
AND THEN WE PRESENT THESE ANNUAL
EVALUATIONS
TO THE, UM, TPO BOARD AND TO THE
VARIOUS COMMITTEES.
SO, WE LOOK AT PERFORMANCE
MEASURES IN 2 CATEGORIES,
OUTPUTS AND OUTCOMES.
AND I'LL DESCRIBE THOSE NOW.
OUTPUTS ARE THE COMMUNITY
OUTREACH ACTIVITIES
THAT WE DO.
AND WE TRY TO MAINTAIN A BLEND
OF IN-PERSON AND ONLINE.
FOR 2025, SO ONLINE INCLUDES,
UM, WEBSITES,
SOCIAL MEDIA, AND E-BLASTS.
INTERACTIONS ARE MEASURED BY
THE LINKS THAT WERE CLICKED,
SURVEY RESPONSES,
E-BLAST OPEN, AND SOCIAL MEDIA
INTERACTIONS.
AND IN 2025, WE HAD MORE THAN
11,000 UNIQUE PARTICIPATIONS,
WHICH EXCEEDED OUR TARGET OF
10,000.
IN-PERSON STRATEGIES INCLUDE TPO
MEETINGS,
TPO HOSTED EVENTS,
AND EVENTS THAT ARE HOSTED BY
OTHER AGENCIES.
AND SO, WE COUNT THE
PARTICIPATION.
NOW, FOR EXAMPLE, WITH AN EVENT
LIKE EARTH DAY,
WE DON'T COUNT ALL THE PEOPLE
WHO ATTENDED EARTH DAY,
WE JUST COUNT THE PEOPLE WHO
INTERACTED
WITH STAFF AT OUR TABLE.
AND SO FOR THAT RESULTED IN
1,920 PARTICIPATIONS
WHICH ALMOST REACHED OUR GOAL OF
2,000.
NOW, WE COME FOR OUTCOME
MEASURES
AND THIS IS A FIRST FOR US IN
LOOKING AT
THE DIFFERENT LEVELS OF
INFLUENCE.
AND LEVELS OF INFLUENCE IDENTIFY
HOW EFFECTIVE
OR MEANINGFUL THE ACTIVITY WAS.
SO, IT'S MORE OF AN ART AND A
SCIENCE BECAUSE WE'RE
LOOKING AT PERCEPTIONS AS WELL
AS THE NUMBER VALUES.
LEVELS OF INFLUENCE RANGE FROM
INFORM TO CONSULT,
INVOLVE, COLLABORATE.
AND I HAVE THE 4 HIGHLIGHTED
THERE BECAUSE THEY CAN
REPRESENT THE PROGRESSION OF THE
PLANNING PROCESS.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, INFORM,
IF YOU HAVE A NEW PROJECT, LIKE
A STUDY OR PLAN,
YOU HAVE TO PROVIDE INFORMATION
TO THE PUBLIC ABOUT THE STUDY.
THEN CONSULT.
AS WE GO TO, IF IT'S A MAJOR
STUDY OR PLAN,
YOU WILL HAVE THE VISIONING, YOU
HAVE THE DATA
COLLECTION, EXISTING CONDITIONS,
AND SO FORTH.
AND THEN AS WE DEVELOP THE DRAFT
DOCUMENTS,
THEN WE WANT MORE FEEDBACK FROM
THE PUBLIC.
AND THEN THE STUDY OR PLAN
REACHES THE ADVISORY
COMMITTEE AND THE BOARD LEVEL
WHERE YOU HAVE COLLABORATION
AND YOU REFINE THE ALTERNATIVES
AND THE FINAL SOLUTIONS.
AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A
PRIME EXAMPLE OF THAT IN THE
NEXT AGENDA ITEM
FOR THE LONG-RANGE
TRANSPORTATION PLAN.
THEN YOU HAVE EMPOWER,
WHICH CAN OCCUR AT ANY POINT,
ANY STAGE.
EMPOWER COULD BE WHERE YOU HAVE
A PLAN
OR STUDY THAT WAS INITIATED BY A
MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY
OR WHEN YOU HAVE MEMBERS OF THE
COMMUNITY
WHO INVITE THE TPO STAFF TO
THEIR EVENTS
FOR THE EXPERTISE THAT WE BRING.
AND THERE'S A DEGREE OF OVERLAP
WITH THOSE CATEGORIES AS WELL.
IN 2025, WE SEE THAT SOME
TARGETS WERE MET
AND SOME WERE NOT IN TERMS OF
THE OUTCOME.
AND THIS IS PARTLY DUE TO THE
NATURE OF THE CATEGORY.
FOR INSTANCE, EMPOWERMENT WOULD
NOT OCCUR
AS FREQUENTLY AS INFORM.
ANOTHER CONSTRAINT, UM,
COLLABORATION,
THERE IS A SET NUMBER OF TPO
ADVISORY
AND BOARD MEETINGS THAT WE HAVE.
THERE'S ALSO A SET NUMBER OF
MAJOR PROJECTS
THAT HAVE ALL THOSE PHASES
LIKE THE DRAFT, AND THE
VISIONING, AND SO FORTH.
BUT NEVERTHELESS, WE WANTED TO
LOOK AT LEVELS OF INFLUENCE.
IT'S AN EVOLVING PROCESS.
IT IS BASED ON PROFESSIONAL
JUDGMENT,
PAST PRACTICE, AND ASPIRATIONAL
GOALS,
BUT IT HELPS US TO KEEP TRACK OF
HOW WE ARE ATTEMPTING
TO MAXIMIZE THE COMMUNITY'S ROLE
IN THE PROCESS.
SO THE ADVISORY COMMITTEES AT
THEIR MEETINGS
IN JANUARY RECOMMENDED
ACCEPTANCE OF THE
COMMUNITY PARTICIPATION PLAN
EVALUATION
AND THAT IS STAFF'S
RECOMMENDATION
AND THAT CONCLUDES MY
PRESENTATION.
I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY
QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
>> THANK YOU.
MEMBERS OF THE BOARD ANY
QUESTIONS?
OKAY, SEEING NONE,
WE DO HAVE TO ACCEPT THE
EVALUATION.
SO I NEED A MOTION.
>> MOTION TO ACCEPT.
>> SECOND.
>> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
>> [CHORUS] AYE.
>> MOTION FOR, OH, ANY OPPOSED?
>> [CHUCKLING]
>> NICE JOB.
>> IT'S APPROVED.
>> ALL RIGHT, MOVING ON
DISCUSSION ITEMS.
THE UNIFIED PLANNING WORK
PROGRAM.
>> 8C.
>> OH, 8C. I'M SORRY. REIMAGINE
MOBILITY 2050 LONG-RANGE.
YEAH.
OKAY.
>> THAT'S RIGHT.
WELL, THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIRMAN.
BECAUSE SINCE THE BOARD ADOPTED
THE SCOPE
OF SERVICES BACK IN DECEMBER OF
2024,
THE TPO HAS BEEN DEVELOPING THE
REIMAGINED MOBILITY
2050 LONG-RANGE TRANSPORTATION
PLAN PIECE BY PIECE AND
PRESENTING THE VARIOUS ELEMENTS
FOR YOUR REVIEWS
AND APPROVALS THROUGHOUT THE
YEAR.
WELL, NOW WE COME TO THE FINISH
LINE
AND HERE TEAM WITH ME TO PRESENT
THE FINAL ELEMENT AND THE DRAFT
PLAN FOR YOUR
ADOPTION FROM THE CORRADINO
GROUP, SRIN VARANASI. SRIN.
>> THANK YOU, PETER. GOOD
AFTERNOON, MADAM CHAIR
AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
I'M HERE TO PRESENT THE
REIMAGINE
MOBILITY 2050 LONG RANGE
TRANSPORTATION PLAN.
AND HERE IS THE STRUCTURE OF MY
PRESENTATION.
SO, I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH A
BRIEF BACKGROUND
AND THEN PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT
PROCESS, VISION,
GOALS, AND OBJECTIVES, UM,
THEN SOCIOECONOMIC DATA
FORECASTING,
SUBSEQUENTLY THE NEEDS PLAN AND
FINANCIAL FORECASTING.
MOST OF THESE ARE,
ALL OF THESE ARE ADOPTED
PREVIOUSLY IN OUR
PREVIOUS BOARD MEETINGS
AND TODAY'S AGENDA IS TO ADOPT
THE
COST FEASIBLE PLAN WHICH PETER
IS GOING TO TEAM UP WITH
ME TO PRESENT SOME OF THOSE
ELEMENTS.
>> EXCUSE ME. 1 SECOND.
SO, THIS IS DIFFERENT FROM WHAT
WE SAW LAST WEEK THIS IS
JUST THE PLAN OR IS ARE WE
REDOING THE PLAN?
>> THIS IS ON ME.
YEAH, WE'RE SO, BECAUSE WE'RE
GONNA,
AT THE END, WE'RE GONNA SHOW HOW
WE
BUILD UP TO A COST FEASIBLE
PLAN, WHICH IS LIKE
KICKING YOU THROUGH THE WHOLE
PLAN ITSELF.
>> BUT DIDN'T WE DO THAT LAST
MONTH, PETER?
>> WELL, WE CAN GO QUICKLY,
AGAIN,
JUST IN TERMS OF OPTIONS, SO
IT'S PART OF THE ADOPTION
[INAUDIBLE] [CROSSTALK]
>> SO, YOU'RE ADOPTING THE
OVERALL LONG-RANGE PLAN,
THE FINAL ELEMENT FOR YOU TO
THIS.
WE DISCUSSED JUST LAST TIME JUST
THE COST FEASIBLE PLAN.
>> RIGHT.
>> SO, WE JUST HAD THE INITIAL.
SO, WE'LL GO QUICKLY.
>> YEAH.
>> WE WANT TO GO QUICKLY.
>> TRYING TO AVOID REPETITIVE
INFORMATION
THAT WE DID LAST MONTH.
>> OKAY JUST WANT TO LEAD UP AND
SO
THAT WHEN YOU'RE, SO THAT YOU'RE
COMFORTABLE
IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH
ADOPTING
THE ENTIRE PLAN, THEN WE CAN
MOVE FORWARD TO
THE COST FEASIBLE PLAN AT THE
BOARD'S DISCRETION.
SO, YEAH, VERY QUICKLY.
>> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.
AS YOU ALL KNOW, THE BACKGROUND
OF THE LRTP
IS TO UPDATE THE LONG RANGE PLAN
EVERY 5 YEARS.
THIS IS THE 2050 LONG RANGE PLAN
UPDATE.
SO THE PROCESS IS TO BEGIN WITH
THE
PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PROCESS AND WE
ACTUALLY
CONDUCTED PUBLIC SURVEY TO START
WITH
AND THEN THE COMMITTEES
PRESENTATIONS,
SOME OF THE POP-UP PRESENTATIONS
AND WORKSHOPS WERE HELD.
UM,
WE ALSO CONDUCTED SOME FOCUS
GROUP PRESENTATIONS.
FINALLY, THE REGIONAL
COORDINATION
WAS ALSO CONDUCTED IN THIS
PROCESS.
UM,
AS YOU SEE THIS IS THE SURVEY
QUESTIONNAIRE
AND SOME OF THE SURVEY RESULTS
WERE PRESENTED PREVIOUSLY OR
JUST TO RECAP,
PRIMARILY, THE PUBLIC IS
INTERESTED IN FIXING
AND CARING FOR FACILITIES, AS
WELL AS
REDUCING TRAFFIC CONGESTION.
SOME OF THOSE TOP SURVEY
RESPONSES.
THESE ARE ALL THE ADVISORY
COMMITTEES
AND BOARD MEETINGS THAT WERE
HELD THROUGHOUT
THE PROCESS, STARTING FROM THE
VISION, GOALS,
AND OBJECTIVES THAT WERE ADOPTED
IN APRIL 2025.
THE NEEDS PLAN WAS ADOPTED IN
OCTOBER 2025.
WE PRESENTED A DRAFT COST
FEASIBLE PLAN IN DECEMBER,
AND NOW, WE ARE HERE FOR THE
FINAL COST FEASIBLE
PLAN PRESENTATION.
THESE ARE THE PUBLIC WORKSHOPS
THAT WERE
HELD THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS,
STARTING FROM
THE EARTH DAY WORKSHOP IN APRIL
2025,
AND THEN WE HAD ANOTHER WORKSHOP
ON THE NEEDS PLAN AT THE UNITY
IN A COMMUNITY.
THIS IS THE FORT PIERCE
RECREATION CENTER WORKSHOP.
AND THIRD 1 IS THE COST FEASIBLE
PLAN WORKSHOP.
OUR TEAM PRESENTED THIS IN THE
TRADITION SQUARE FARMERS MARKET.
THIS IS A POP-UP EVENT DURING
THE HOLIDAYS.
WE CONDUCTED THIS WORKSHOP ON
COST FEASIBLE PLAN.
THESE ARE ALL THE FOCUS GROUP
MEETINGS THAT WERE HELD
TO GATHER THE SUBJECT MATTER
EXPERTS' INPUT
THROUGHOUT THE LONG-RANGE
TRANSPORTATION PLAN.
IN OCTOBER, WE CONDUCTED SEVERAL
WORKSHOPS
ON THE NEEDS PLAN WITH THE FOCUS
GROUPS.
AND THEN IN NOVEMBER,
SOME OF THE PROJECT
PRIORITIZATION,
INCLUDING THE ENVIRONMENTAL
GROUPS IN THIS.
SO THE VISION IS TO REIMAGINE
INNOVATIVE,
SAFE, AND SUSTAINABLE
TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM.
JUST A RECAP OF THE LRTP GOALS.
WE HAVE 6 GOALS, AS SHOWN IN
THIS SLIDE.
SOCIOECONOMIC DATA, JUST A RECAP
OF THIS.
WE ARE GROWING SIGNIFICANTLY IN
ST. LUCIE COUNTY,
MORE THAN 300,000 POPULATION,
AS WELL AS MORE THAN 100,000
EMPLOYMENT
THAT WILL BE ADDED TO ST. LUCIE
COUNTY AND
THIS WILL CAUSE A SIGNIFICANT
BURDEN ON TRANSPORTATION.
AND THIS IS THE RECAP OF THE
POPULATION GROWTH MAP.
SO PRIMARILY ON THE WESTERN,
AS WELL AS, NORTHERN COMMUNITIES
ARE GOING
TO GET IMPACTED WITH THIS
POPULATION GROWTH.
EMPLOYMENT GROWTH FOLLOWS A VERY
SIMILAR AREA.
SO THIS IS THE EXISTING PLUS
COMMITTED
ROADWAY NETWORK THAT IS FED TO
THE TRANSPORTATION
MODEL AS A STARTING POINT FOR
THE
TRAVEL DEMAND MODELING ANALYSIS.
THESE ARE THE ROADWAY
DEFICIENCIES THAT ARE
IDENTIFIED.
YOU CAN SEE A LOT OF REDS IN
I-95,
AS WELL AS, SURROUNDING AREAS ON
SOUTHWESTERN [INAUDIBLE] AND
NORTHERN COMMUNITIES.
VARIOUS NEEDS PLAN SOURCES,
WE REFER TO A LOT OF TRAFFIC
STUDIES,
AS WELL AS COMPREHENSIVE PLANS,
SAFETY ACTION PLANS, AND THEN
EVEN THE REIMAGINED, SORRY,
THE 2045 LONG RANGE
TRANSPORTATION PLAN
WAS ANOTHER SOURCE FOR THIS.
NEEDS PLAN IS SHOWN HERE.
THIS WAS ADOPTED IN OCTOBER.
LAST YEAR, WE HAVE IDENTIFIED
ROADWAY BRIDGE NEEDS,
TRANSPORTATION ALTERNATIVES
NEEDS, TRANSIT,
SO CONGESTION AND SAFETY NEEDS.
IN ADDITION, REIMAGINED MOBILITY
PROJECTS,
AS WELL AS TECHNOLOGY AND
FREIGHT ELEMENTS
WERE CONSIDERED IN THE NEEDS
PLAN.
SO A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF ALL THESE
NEEDS PLAN MAPS
STARTING FROM THE ROADWAY.
I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU A SERIES
OF MAPS
AS A PRODUCT OF THE NEEDS PLAN.
THEN TRANSPORTATION ALTERNATIVES
PEDESTRIAN ELEMENT
IS HERE AS WELL AS NEXT 1 IS THE
BIKE ELEMENT.
WE ALSO HAVE TRANSIT NEEDS
PROJECTS
THAT ARE SHOWN HERE THAT
INCLUDES
SOME OF THE ELEMENTS ON THE
ON-DEMAND SERVICES.
THIS IS THE REIMAGINED MOBILITY
NEEDS PLAN
THAT INCLUDES WORD REPORTS, AS
WELL AS C-CODE
IMPROVEMENTS AND MARSHALL
PARKWAY IN A CHANGE.
IT WAS ALSO PART OF THE
REIMAGINED MOBILITY NEEDS PLAN.
CONGESTION AND SAFETY NEEDS
PROJECTS ARE SHOWN HERE.
AND THEN LASTLY, THE TECHNOLOGY
AND FREIGHT ELEMENTS.
TECHNOLOGY ELEMENTS FOCUS ON
FOCUSING ON
THE TSMNO ELEMENT, AS WELL AS
THE FREIGHT ELEMENT
FOCUSING ON THE DESIGNATED
FREIGHT
ROUTES AND FREIGHT ACTIVITY
ALL RIGHT, QUICKLY,
FINANCIAL FORECASTING IS SHOWN
HERE.
THERE ARE 2 TYPES OF
DESIGNATIONS.
1 IS THE SIS FUNDS,
THE OTHER IS TMA TPO SPECIFIC
FUNDS.
SO SIS FUNDS BY PROJECTS,
THIS IS THE STRATEGIC INTERMODAL
SYSTEM FUNDS.
SO THESE INCLUDE VARIOUS
PROJECTS ON I-95,
AS WELL AS TURNPIKE.
THAT INCLUDES ALSO THE TURNPIKE
WIDENING 4 TO 8 LANES.
THAT'S BETWEEN BECKER AND
CROSSTOWN PARKWAY
THAT IS INCLUDED AS PART OF THIS
COST FEASIBLE PLAN.
THIS IS A SUMMARY OF ALL OF
THE FINANCIAL SOURCES THAT
INCLUDES SURFACE TRANSPORTATION,
BLOCK GRANT, SU FUNDS, AS WELL
AS, SOME OF THESE TRANSIT,
AS WELL AS TRANSPORTATION
ALTERNATIVES FUNDS,
A TOTAL OF $1.2 BILLION,
INCLUDING ABOUT $690 MILLION
FOR THE MBO SPECIFIC FUNDS.
SO, WITH ALL OF THESE FUNDS,
FIRST WE HAD TO BOX OUT CERTAIN
CATEGORIES
THAT INCLUDED UPWP FUNDS,
THE UNIFIED PLANNING WORK
PROGRAM FOR THE TPO.
WE DEDICATED $600,000 ANNUALLY.
AND THEN CONGESTION MANAGEMENT
PROCESS FUNDS, ABOUT 600,000
ANNUALLY.
THESE WERE BOXED OUT.
AND THEN WE'RE ALSO BOXING OUT
THE TRANSPORTATION
ALTERNATIVES FUNDS FOR BIKE AND
PEDESTRIAN PROJECTS,
AND THE TRANSIT FORMULA FUNDS
THAT WERE BOXED OUT.
AND THIS IS A NON-TPO-BASED
FUNDING NETWORK
SO THERE'S SOME OF THE PROJECTS
THAT ARE EXPECTED
TO BE FUNDED THROUGH THE LOCAL
SLASH DEVELOPER
FUNDING, AS WELL AS THE STATE
HIGHWAY SYSTEM FUNDS.
AND HERE'S THE PROJECT
PRIORITIZATION,
WHICH I'M GONNA GO THROUGH REAL
QUICK.
YOU HAVE SEEN IN THE EARLIER
MEETINGS, SUPPORTING
EACH OF THE OBJECTIVES, EACH OF
THE GOALS,
THE PROJECT PRIORITIZATION WERE
DEVELOPED,
STARTING FROM THE ECONOMIC
GROWTH,
WHICH IS BASED ON THE MOBILITY,
THE VOLUME TO CAPACITY RATIOS
IS, EXCEED 1.2,
THEY GET 10 POINTS AND SO ON.
IF THE PROJECT IS ON A
DESIGNATED FREIGHT NETWORK,
THEY GET POINTS SAFETY AND
SECURITY.
IF THE PROJECTS ARE ON HIGH
INJURY NETWORKS,
IT GETS A POINT.
AND THEN BIKE AND PEDESTRIAN, AS
WELL AS
TRANSIT SAFETY WAS ALSO
CONSIDERED
IN THE PRIORITIZATION PROCESS.
GOAL 3 IS TO ENHANCE MOBILITY
CHOICES BY IMPROVING
CONNECTIVITY AND ACCESSIBILITY.
SO, IF THE PROJECTS IMPROVES
ACCESSIBILITY TO BUS STOPS
OR WALKING BIKE NETWORKS OR
FREIGHT FACILITIES,
THEY GET POINTS.
AND PROMOTING ENVIRONMENTAL
SUSTAINABILITY IS ANOTHER GOAL.
SO IF PROJECTS INTERSECT
ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREAS,
THEY GET NEGATIVE POINTS IN
THIS.
SO GOAL 5 IS TO EMBRACE
TECHNOLOGY AND INNOVATION.
SO IF THE PROJECT IS ON
TECHNOLOGY SPECIFIC CORRIDORS,
THEY GET POINTS.
ALSO, IF THERE'S PROJECTS ON
EVACUATION ROUTES,
THEY GET POINTS AS WELL.
LASTLY, MAINTAINING
TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM,
REPLACING AGING FLEET IS
IMPORTANT IN THIS.
WE ALSO CONSIDERED PROJECTS
CROSSING RAILROADS
NEGATIVELY, AND AS WELL AS
PUBLIC CONCERNS,
AS WELL AS PLAN CONSISTENCY IN
SCORING.
>> OKAY.
SO, OKAY, THAT BRINGS US TO THE
FINAL ELEMENTS,
AND THAT'S THE COST FEASIBLE
PLAN,
WHICH WAS INITIALLY PRESENTED TO
YOU IN DECEMBER
FOR REVIEW AND COMMENT.
NOW, AS SRIN DESCRIBED,
THERE ARE 3 COMPONENTS OF THE
COST FEASIBLE PLAN.
THAT'S THE BOX FUNDS FOR THE
TRANSMISSION ALTERNATIVES
THAT COME TO YOU EVERY YEAR BY
APPLICATION
FROM THE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS FOR
SIDEWALKS,
BIKE LANES, PEDESTRIAN
FACILITIES.
WE'VE JUST STARTED THE
APPLICATION PROCESS FOR THIS
YEAR.
IT'LL BE IN FRONT OF YOU FOR
APRIL
FOR YOU TO PRIORITIZE THE 1 TO
RECEIVE FUNDS
FOR THE NEXT ROUND OF TRANSITION
ALTERNATIVES
FUNDING, CONGESTION, AND SAFETY
PROJECTS.
WHEN WE BOX THOSE FUNDS FOR THE
CMP,
THAT'S THE CONGESTION MANAGEMENT
PROCESS TO
ADDRESS SAFETY AND CONGESTION
PROJECTS.
REMEMBER AT THE LAST MEETING,
ALL OF THE LOCAL PROJECTS WERE
FUNDED FOR
CONSTRUCTION IN THE DEPARTMENT
OF WORK PROGRAM,
SO WE'RE ADOPTING THE,
OR WE'RE DEVELOPING THE ADVANCED
MANAGEMENT
SYSTEM MANAGEMENT PLAN
TO START FEEDING MORE PROJECTS
FOR THAT.
AND THEN THE NON-TPO FUNDING
NETWORK IS THE OTHER
ELEMENT.
THOSE ARE, WE HAVE THE LEAST IF
NOT LITTLE, LITTLE
CONTROL OVER THOSE FUNDS AS A
TPO.
IT'S A LOCAL PROJECT, STATE
HIGHWAY SYSTEM PROJECT.
SO THAT LEAVES US THE REST
OF OUR FUNDING IN THE COST
FEASIBLE PLAN.
THAT'S WHERE THE PRIORITIZATION
CAME
INTO PLAY AND WE DEVELOPED 4
ALTERNATIVES.
WE WORKED THROUGH 4 ALTERNATIVES
THAT WE TOOK THROUGH THOSE FOCUS
GROUPS, TOOK THROUGH
THE PUBLIC, TOOK THROUGH THE
ADVISORY COMMITTEES.
AND THE 4 ALTERNATIVES WERE
ADVANCING
LIST OF PRIORITY PROJECTS,
KEEPING THOSE,
A SEGMENT OF GLADES CUT OFF
LINKAGE,
STARTING WITH A SEGMENT OF
GLADES CUT OFF,
RANGE LINE CONNECTION, ADDING
THAT,
AND ALTERNATIVE 4 WAS ALL
INCLUSIVE.
BUT AFTER ALL THOSE POP-UP
EVENTS AND WORKSHOPS
AND FOCUS GROUPS THEN FOLLOWING
THAT,
WE CAME UP WITH A FIFTH
ALTERNATIVE, ALTERNATIVE 5,
WHICH WE PRESENTED TO YOU IN
DECEMBER
WHICH BALANCES DEVELOPMENT AND
MOBILITY
AND AT THE MEETING, THE
DISCUSSION
CENTERED ON WHETHER THE CITY
WANTED TO DO FOR, PORT ST.
LUCIE, WANTED TO FEDERALIZE
ST. LUCIE WEST BOULEVARD
AND REPLACE CALIFORNIA BOULEVARD
WITH ST. LUCIE WEST BOULEVARD
AND THE CHAIRWOMAN AT THAT TIME
SUGGESTED
THE MEMBERS CONSULT WITH THEIR
STAFFS BEFORE
CONSIDERING THIS FINAL COST
FEASIBLE PLAN.
AND CONSENSUS WAS OBTAINED AT
THAT TIME
TO MOVE FORWARD WITH 2 VERSIONS
UNTIL
WE HEARD FROM THE CITY,
WHICH, 1 OF WHICH INCLUDES THE
CALIFORNIA
BOULEVARD PROJECT AND THE OTHER
1
REPLACES CALIFORNIA BOULEVARD
WITH ST. LUCIE WEST BOULEVARD
WITH THE BOARD
REQUESTING INPUT FROM THE CITY
ON THEIR PREFERENCE.
SO, THESE 2 ALTERNATIVES WERE
PRESENTED
TO THE ADVISORY COMMITTEES LAST
MONTH AND
THEY INCLUDE ALTERNATIVE A,
AGAIN, WITH CALIFORNIA
BOULEVARD,
AND LOOKING AT THE LIST,
IT'S JACOBS ROAD STARTS OUT AND
THEN CONNECTING EDWARDS ROAD
AND TO ULTIMATELY CONNECT TO
SELVITZ
AND GET A CONNECTION THERE TO
GLADES CUT OFF AND
THEN CALIFORNIA BOULEVARD WAS
OUTLYING HERE,
GLADES CUT-OFF ROAD, THEN START
THAT
IN OUTLYING AREAS AND THEN
INTERCHANGE
AT MARSHALL PARKWAY, NEW
INTERCHANGE.
THEN ALTERNATIVE B WAS REPLACING
IT
WITH ST. LUCIE WEST BOULEVARD
WITH CALIFORNIA
BOULEVARD AND SIMILAR WORK IN
JENKINS ROAD AND EDWARDS ROAD
GO FIRST THEN THAT WAS FOLLOWED
BY RAINIER SIDE ROAD AND ST.
LUCIE WEST BOULEVARD FOLLOWED BY
GLADES
CUT-OFF ROAD AND A MARSHALL
PARKWAY INTERCHANGE.
HOWEVER, TO MAKE MATTERS EVEN
MORE CHALLENGING,
WELL, JUST AGAIN TO SUMMARIZE,
IT WAS A SPLIT DECISION
FROM THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE
ADVISORY
COMMITTEES WITH THE CITIZEN
TECHNICAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE
RECOMMENDING THE ADOPTION OF
ALTERNATIVE B.
THAT'S WITH THE ST. LUCIE WEST
BOULEVARD
AND THE BICYCLE PEDESTRIAN
ADVISORY COMMITTEE
RECOMMEND ADOPTION OF
ALTERNATIVE A WITH CALIFORNIA
BOULEVARD.
SO, WHILE WE WERE WORKING
THROUGH THESE
VARIOUS ITERATIONS AND THE 2
ALTERNATIVES,
THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF
TRANSPORTATION
ADOPTS A NEW PROJECT DEVELOPMENT
POLICY WHICH WAS
CONFIRMED JUST LAST WEDNESDAY AT
THE FLORIDA MPO
ADVISORY COUNCIL MEETING THAT
THE CHAIRWOMAN AND I ATTENDED,
AND THIS POLICY SPECIFIES THAT A
PROJECT CAN ONLY CONTINUE
TO PROCEED THROUGH THE PROCESS
AND THROUGH THE PROJECT PHASES
IF THE CONSTRUCTION
FUNDING FOR THE PROJECT IS
PROGRAMMED WITHIN 8 YEARS
FROM THE START OF THE PROJECT
DEVELOPMENT
ENVIRONMENT STUDY.
AND THEY WANT THESE PD&E STUDIES
TO BE
COMPLETED TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT
FEASIBLE WITHIN 18 MONTHS
AFTER THE DATE OF COMMENCEMENT.
OBVIOUSLY, THIS IS RESPONDING TO
THE LONG-STANDING
COMPLAINTS OF WHY THESE PROJECTS
TAKE SO LONG.
WHY DO THE PD&ES TAKE SO LONG?
SO, NOW WE HAVE A LOT OF
PROJECTS IN THE PIPELINE,
CONCENTRATING ON THOSE THAT ARE
FURTHER IN THE PIPELINE.
AND SO, WE WANT TO TAKE INTO
CONSIDERATION
WHEN ADOPTING AN ALTERNATIVE TO
THE COST FEASIBLE
PLAN, THIS POLICY.
AND THEN, WE HEARD FROM THE
BOARD MEMBERS
AND STAFF FROM THE CITY OF PORT
ST. LUCIE ABOUT
WHETHER THE FEDERAL ST. LUCIE
WEST BOULEVARD,
FEDERALIZED ST. LUCIE WEST
BOULEVARD.
SO, TAKING THIS ALL INTO
ACCOUNT, I PRESENT
TO YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION,
ADOPTION OF ALTERNATIVE A.
AND LET'S GO THROUGH NOW,
BECAUSE WE'VE RE-PRIORITIZED
SOME
OF THE PROJECT BASED ON THE
POLICY,
ALTERNATIVE A FOR YOUR
CONSIDERATION,
WHICH IS BALANCING DEVELOPMENT
AND MOBILITY
WITH CALIFORNIA BOULEVARD.
WE'LL START OUT AGAIN, WE JUST
TALKED ABOUT THOSE BOXING AND
THOSE FUNDS.
FOR BOXING FUNDS FOR US,
WE'LL BE ABLE TO DO STUDIES FOR
THE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS
TO DO OTHER DIFFERENT ELEMENTS
THAT WE CAN PROVIDE FOR THE
LOCAL GOVERNMENTS.
WE HAVE THE CMP PROJECTS ACROSS
IT,
THE TRANSPORTATION ALTERNATIVES
PROJECTS,
AND THE TRANSIT PROJECTS THAT
COME FROM
THE TRANSIT DEVELOPMENT PLAN ARE
SEPARATE
FUNDING SOURCE, SEPARATE TRANSIT
FUNDING SOURCE.
SO TO GET DOWN TO THE MEAT OF
THE THING,
WE, AGAIN, WE'RE CONTINUING
JENKINS ROAD.
SO WITH THAT POLICY, THE JENKINS
ROAD PROJECT
DEVELOPMENT ENVIRONMENT STUDY IS
UNDERWAY
RIGHT NOW AND SO, THAT'S
FURTHEST ALONG
OF ANY OTHER STUDY, SO THAT'S
WHY WE NEED TO
ADVANCE THAT AND KEEP THAT GOING
FORWARD
ALONG WITH THAT EDWARDS ROAD.
WELL, LET'S GO WITH CALIFORNIA,
CALIFORNIA BOULEVARD,
IF YOU RECALL, IS PROGRAMMED IN
OUR TIP FOR PD&E
STUDY TO START NEXT FISCAL YEAR.
SO, BECAUSE THE PD&E STARTED,
SO THIS POLICY, THE FLOOR
DEPARTMENT,
THEY'RE STILL TRYING TO FIGURE
IT OUT.
EACH DISTRICT, FROM MY
CONVERSATIONS,
IS HAVING DIFFERENT
INTERPRETATIONS
OF WHAT COUNTS AND WHAT ISN'T.
SO, RECOGNIZING THAT CALIFORNIA
BOULEVARD IS A RECOGNIZED
PD&E THAT WILL START IN NEXT
FISCAL YEAR.
THAT'S WHY THAT MAKES SENSE TO
PRIORITIZE THAT
ALONG WITH JENKINS ROAD.
THEN WE WANT TO CONNECT THOUGH,
RIGHT, JENKINS ROAD, THEN
EDWARDS,
TO GET DOWN TO GLADES CUT OFF.
REMEMBER, THE JENKINS ROAD PD&E,
WHY, THIS IS WHY PD&ES DO WORK.
THERE IS A LOT OF VALUE,
BECAUSE WE FOUND DURING THIS
STUDY
THAT IT'S EXTREMELY COSTLY
TO CROSS THE 10 MILE CREEK AND
THE NORTH FORKWAY
OF THE ST. LUCIE RIVER, AS WELL
AS
CROSSING THE RAILROAD TRACKS
DOWN THERE.
AND SO, WE COULD ACCOMPLISH THE
SAME TYPE OF
DISTRIBUTION GOING NORTH TO
SOUTH
BY NOT DOING THAT SEGMENT.
THAT'S THE MOST COSTLY IS,
WE CAN USE THAT MONEY FOR OTHER
PARTS OF THE COST FEASIBLE PLAN
BY STILL MAINTAINING THAT
CONNECTIVITY.
SO THEN, WE, BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE
EDWARDS ROAD
TO COMPLETE THAT AND I
UNDERSTAND
FROM COUNTY STAFF THAT THEY'LL
BE BRINGING
IN FRONT OF THE BOARD OF COUNTY
COMMISSIONERS
WITHIN THE NEXT MONTH,
A SCOPE OF SERVICES FOR A PD&E
TO START A PD&E.
SO, THAT WILL BE STARTING.
IT'S 1 OF THE NEW ONES THAT ARE
STARTING,
SO WE GOT TO ENSURE THAT GETS
DONE IN 18 MONTHS.
THEN WE'RE AT GLADES CUT OFF
ROAD.
NOW, GLADES CUT OFF ROAD,
WHILE THE PD&E HAS STARTED, IT
ISN'T OFFICIALLY
RECOGNIZED BECAUSE THE FDOT
HAS NOT BEEN PARTICIPATING IN IT
BECAUSE IT HASN'T BEEN
IN THE LONG-RANGE PLAN.
SO NOW, WE PUT IT IN THE
LONG-RANGE PLAN
AND WE ADVANCED THE FIRST
SEGMENT THAT FROM
WHAT WE UNDERSTAND FROM ALSO
CONVERSATIONS
WITH STAFF, THAT'S THAT SEGMENT
FROM
COMMERCE CENTER TO RANGE LINE.
THE MOST NEEDED PART OF WIDENING
OF RANGE LINE
ROAD WILL BE CONDUCTED IN SECOND
TIER, THAT'S 2036 TO 2040.
THEN, WE FINISH UP GLADES CUT
OFF ROAD IN THE THIRD TIER.
NOW, RANGE LINE ROAD AND
MARSHALL PARKWAY EXTENSION HAVE
NOT STARTED A PD&E, SO THAT'S
WHY
YOU SEE THEM IN THE OUTLYING
YEARS,
BUT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT'S NOW
STARTING FOR THE FIRST
TIME EVER, THE MARSHALL PARKWAY
INTERCHANGE
AND EXTENSION IS IN A FEDERALLY
APPROVED
DOCUMENT, SO THAT CAN PROCEED
FORWARD
WITH THAT STUDY AND THOSE
STUDIES.
AND SHOULD WE RECEIVE DEVELOPER
CONTRIBUTIONS,
OTHER TYPES OF LOCAL FUNDING,
THAT CAN MOVE THAT PROJECT
FORWARD.
BUT IT ALL STARTS WITH
IT BEING IN THE LONG-RANGE PLAN.
SO, WE'RE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE
ALL OF THE NEEDS AND THE
PRIORITIES WITHIN THAT FDOT
POLICY,
WITHIN THE APPROPRIATE
TIMEFRAMES,
AND BE ABLE TO AFFORD
IT AS WELL, AND KEEP MOVING
FORWARD WITH THAT.
AND SO, THEN WE MODEL THOSE
RESULTS.
AND LET'S TAKE HOW DID THIS
VERSION OF THE COST
FEASIBLE PLAN PERFORM WITH
REGARDS TO THE MODELS?
>> ABSOLUTELY.
SO THE MODELING WAS DONE
COMPARING
TO THE E-PLUS-C NETWORKS.
WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS A
COMPARISON
OF THE CALIFORNIA BOULEVARD.
OVERALL, WHAT YOU CAN SEE IS
THAT MOST OF THE
LOCATIONS, SUCH AS JENKINS ROAD,
AS WELL AS GLADES CUT OFF ROAD,
AS WELL AS SOME OF THESE OTHER
CONGESTED AREAS
HAVE BEEN RELIEVED IN THIS
ALTERNATIVE.
I'M GOING TO FOCUS ON THE
FOLLOWING SLIDES
ON THE ZOOMED-IN VERSION OF
THESE ALTERNATIVES.
>> NO, I DON'T HAVE IT.
>> LET ME FORWARD.
>> NO, THAT'S, THAT'S FINE RIGHT
THERE.
SO, YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT HOW,
GO BACK,
AND TALK ABOUT THOSE
IMPROVEMENTS.
SO THE MODEL DEMONSTRATES.
>> YEAH. IT DOES DEMONSTRATE
THAT THE
CALIFORNIA BOULEVARD GETS
RELEASED.
SO, THE CONGESTION SIGNIFICANTLY
GETS RELEASED
ONCE YOU IMPLEMENT THE PROJECT
IN THERE.
>> WE SEE HOW THE IMPROVEMENTS
ARE ALL ACCORDED.
IT'S GLADES CUT OFF ROAD, THE
SOUTHWEST ANNEXATION AREA.
AND SO, THE MODEL PERFORMS IS
DEFINITELY
THAT THIS COST FEASIBLE PLAN
VERSION
DOES PERFORM VERY WELL IN
ADDRESSING NEEDS.
SO, THERE YOU HAVE IT, UNLESS
THE BOARD IS DESIROUS
OF, THIS IS THE VERSION THAT
SEEMS TO CHECK
ALL THE BOXES BASED ON THE
INFORMATION RECEIVED.
SO, WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE, RIGHT
NOW,
THE ACTION IS TO ADOPT BY ROLL
CALL VOTE,
THE LONG-RANGE TRANSPORTATION
PLAN WITH ALTERNATIVE A
THAT'S BALANCING DEVELOPMENT
MOBILITY
WITH CALIFORNIA BOULEVARD.
>> OKAY. I'M GOING TO OPEN IT TO
THE BOARD
FOR QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS.
>> CAN WE GO BACK
A SLIDE PLEASE?
>> ABSOLUTELY.
>> MADAM CHAIR.
>> YEAH.
>> IT MAKES NO SENSE TO ME TO
PULL CALIFORNIA OFF
WHEN IT'S ALREADY IN THE COST
FEASIBLE
UNDER A TIER FROM THE 2031 AND
2035,
ALTHOUGH IT'S FURTHER OUT, AND
THEN TO PUT IN
ST. LUCIE WEST BOULEVARD,
WHICH WOULD BE OUT FURTHER, AND
ESPECIALLY WHEN
THE COUNCIL HASN'T EVEN...
>> OH. WE'RE NOT PROPOSING THAT.
THIS IS THE 1 WE'RE PROPOSING.
THIS IS IT.
>> OKAY.
BUT I KNOW THERE'S...
>> OKAY.
>> I UNDERSTAND, BUT WHAT I'M
SAYING IS I'M VOICING
MY OPINION ABOUT A VERSUS B
BECAUSE THERE MAY BE OTHER
OPINIONS
THAT MIGHT WANT TO DO B.
>> OKAY.
>> RIGHT.
SO, AND THE COUNCIL HAS NOT HAD
MADE A FINAL
DETERMINATION, WHICH I BELIEVE
IS
GOING TO BE COMING UP
IN OUR WORKSHOP WITH REGARD TO
WHAT ROADS
ARE GOING TO BE GOING FORWARD
WITH THE HALF CENT SALES TAX AND
FEDERALIZING
ST. LUCIE WEST BOULEVARD MEANS
IT WILL
NEVER GET DONE FOR THE MOST
PART.
I HATE TO SAY IT, BUT WE KNOW
HOW THIS,
HOW THESE THINGS WORK IN THE
CITY, AND IF
WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR HOUSE
AND SALES TAX,
WHICH WE SEE WITH THE POLLING IS
SHOWING,
WE HAVE A MUCH BETTER CHANCE
OF GETTING GETTING IT DONE
FASTER AND BEING
MORE RESPONSIVE TO OUR RESIDENTS
THAT WAY
THAN, THAN STICKING IN THERE
NOW.
SO, THAT'S, THAT'S MY OPINION ON
IT AND AGAIN,
THE COUNCIL STILL HAS TO HAVE A
CONVERSATION ABOUT
WHAT, YOU KNOW, THE LIST IS
GOING TO LOOK LIKE, SO.
>> AND AS MR. BUCHWALD MENTIONED
PREVIOUSLY,
WE ASKED THAT WE GO TO THE CITY
FIND OUT WHAT
THEY WERE THINKING, SO THAT WE
COULD
ADJUST OUR PLAN ACCORDINGLY,
WHICH WE HAVE DONE,
WHICH THEY ARE STATING THAT
ALTERNATIVE A
WORKS BEST FOR FOR THEM, IS THAT
CORRECT?
UH, MAYOR MARTIN?
>> THAT'S BEEN MY CONVERSATION.
I CAN'T SPEAK TO ANYBODY ELSE'S
CONVERSATION,
BUT I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE
WOULD PULL
SOMETHING OUT THAT'S ALREADY IN
THE PROCESS,
AND CAN GET DONE SOON, DONE
SOONER
AND IN ON THE OPPOSITE END WORK
WITH REGARD TO
ST. LUCIE WEST BOULEVARD, WHICH
ARE ALREADY DOING
FEASIBILITY FOR, AND WE CAN PUT
IT IN THROUGH HALF-CENT SALES
TAX IN OUR PROJECT LIST OR
FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO
DO WITH IT, BUT OUR COUNCIL
NEEDS TO MAKE THAT DECISION.
>> YUP.
>> OF COURSE.
>> AND CHANGES WERE MADE BASED
ON THE NEW POLICY
WHERE IT HAS TO BE FUNDED WITHIN
8 YEARS.
SO, SO, THOSE WERE MINOR CHANGES
THAT WERE ADOPTED FOR
ALTERNATIVE A, AS WELL.
EVEN THOUGH WE RECOMMENDED B
GOING FORWARD,
UNTIL WE HAD INPUT, WE'VE GOT
THAT INPUT.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS,
VICE MAYOR CARABALLO AND THEN
CHAIR FOWLER.
>> THANK YOU.
I JUST WANTED TO CHIME IN.
THANK YOU, SHANNON, FOR BRINGING
THOSE POINTS UP.
IN MY CONVERSATION WITH PETE,
I JUST WANT TO SHARE WITH THE
BOARD THAT
WE ARE WAITING FOR THE
FEASIBILITY, OBVIOUSLY, FOR
ST. LUCIE WEST, BUT THE CITY HAS
PHASED OFF,
WE USUALLY, WE USUALLY DO BIG
PROJECTS LIKE THIS
IN PHASES, BECAUSE THIS 1 WAS
PROJECTED SO FAR TO BE,
I THINK, 75 MILLION AND SO, WHAT
I DID JUST SHARE WITH PETE WAS,
AND I JUST WANTED TO KNOW, IF
FOR SOME REASON
COUNCIL DOES COME BACK, LOOK AT
THE FEASIBILITY,
EVEN THOUGH WE'RE GOING TO GO
FOR HALF-SET IN SALES TAX
IT'S GOING TO EXTEND BEYOND 10
YEARS.
IS THERE OPPORTUNITY FOR TPO TO
CONSIDER FEDERAL
FUNDING FOR PHASING THAT ARE
FURTHER OUT THAN NEAR
PLANNING, AND SO IT PETE SAID
THAT HE COULD,
AGAIN, THAT'S GOING TO TAKE
FEASIBILITY.
BUT I JUST WANT TO SHARE WITH
THE BOARD
THAT I STILL WANT ST. LUCIE
BOULEVARD,
ST. LUCIE WEST BOULEVARD OPEN
FOR DISCUSSION,
JUST IN CASE THAT FEASIBILITY
COMES BACK.
IT'S GOING TO TAKE US A LONG
TIME TO FINISH IT.
>> YOU BRING UP A GOOD POINT.
I DID TALK TO MR. BUCHWALD
EARLIER, AS WELL
AND THIS PLAN CAN BE AMENDED.
>> RIGHT.
>> YEAH.
>> OKAY.
COMMISSIONER FOWLER?
>> THANK YOU.
ON A DIFFERENT ITEM FOR THIS
SAME CHART
AFTER TALKING WITH OUR COUNTY
TEAM,
WE'D LIKE THE BOARD TO CONSIDER
MAKING SOME MINOR CHANGES,
CHANGING RANGELINE ROAD
OUT OF THE SECOND TIER INTO THE
THIRD TIER,
AND THEN MOVING GLADES CUT OFF
MIDWAY TO 95, AND
COMMERCE CENTER RANGELINE UP
INTO THE SECOND TIER,
AND I KNOW COUNTY ENGINEER IS
HERE,
IF YOU HAVE ANY ANY QUESTIONS
ABOUT THAT.
>> PETER, WERE YOU AWARE
OF THIS?
WELL THE, SO, WE HAVE MOVED
RANGELINE BACK
TO THE THIRD TIER. IT'S IN THE
THIRD TIER, SO THE SECOND TIER,
IT'S THE DIRECTION OF MIDWAY TO
I-95.
WE CAN'T, WHAT WE CAN DO IS WE
CAN SWAP MIDWAY TO
I-95 INSTEAD OF COMMERCE CENTER
RANGELINE ROAD,
AND THEN CARRY OVER THE
DIFFERENCE TO IT,
BUT YOU CAN'T DO BOTH. WE CAN'T
AFFORD TO DO BOTH
IN THAT, BECAUSE YOU SEE WE HAVE
87.64 MILLION,
SO, WE ARE CARRYING OVER SOME TO
IT BECAUSE
OF THE EXPENSE OF THE, SO KIND
OF 1
OR THE OTHER THING, WHICH SHOULD
GO FIRST,
YOU KNOW, CHICKEN OR THE EGG,
AND, YOU KNOW, WE CAN START
MIDWAY
TO I-95 SOONER THAN COMMERCE
CENTER RANGELINE ROAD
IF THAT'S THE PREFERENCE.
>> IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE
REQUESTING, CHAIR FOWLER?
>> I MUST STATE, DAN AND I, UH,
>> READY.
>> OKAY.
SO, SO IS THAT DAN, ARE YOU
SAYING THAT
MIDWAY SHOULD GO, UH, I-95
MIDWAY SHOULD GO BEFORE?
WHY DON'T YOU COME UP HERE?
[INAUDIBLE]
AND INTRODUCE YOURSELF.
>> UH, DAN ZRALLACK COUNTY
ENGINEER.
SO, WE-WE ARE...
UM, WHAT HASN'T BEEN MENTIONED
IS THAT
WE ARE CURRENTLY DESIGNING
THE SECTION OF
GLADES CUT OFF ROAD WHICH
WILL BECOME
GLADES CUT OFF ROAD.
CURRENTLY, IT'S SELVITZ ROAD.
SO, FROM EDWARDS DOWN TO JUST
PASS RANGER
CONSTRUCTION ON GLADES
CUT OFF ROAD,
WILL BE REALIGNED AND THAT'LL
BECOME A SECTION
OF GLADES CUT OFF ROAD.
SO WE'RE GONNA BE WIDENING THAT,
UH, SECTION TO FOUR LANES.
SO, WE'RE GONNA END JUST
PAST RANGER,
AND THEN IT WON'T BE FOUR LANES
AGAIN UNTIL
YOU GET TO, UH, MIDWAY
ROAD.
SO, WE SEE THAT CONNECTIVITY
AS AN IMPORTANT PART OF
THIS PROCESS.
>> SO YOU WANNA PRIORITIZE THAT?
>> CORRECT.
>> WHICH SEGMENT IS THAT THEN?
>> THAT MIDWAY TO SELVITZ.
>> THANKS.
>> OKAY, MIDWAY TO?
>> MIDWAY TO?
MIDWAY TO 95?
>> UH-HUH.
SELVITZ TO MIDWAY.
>> SELVITZ TO MIDWAY.
>> OH, SELVITZ TO MIDWAY?
>> YEAH.
>> OH, THAT'S EVEN MORE
EXPENSIVE.
SO, YEAH, SO THAT'S EASY TO DO
IF THE BOARD WISHES TO DO IT.
WE SWAP, WE JUST PUSH, UH,
YOU KNOW,
UH, MIDWAY TO SELVITZ FORWARD
TO THE SECOND TIER
AND PUSH BACK THOUGH TO COME
AT THE EXPENSE
OF COMMERCE CENTER TO,
UM, CAMDEN COZ
WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY
TO DO BOTH.
>> OKAY.
>> AND FOR THOSE OF YOU
FOLLOWING AROUND
YOUR PACKET IS PAGE 131.
I KNOW IT'S NOT EASY TO FIND,
BUT IT'S ALMOST LIKE
AT VERY END, 131.
OKAY, SO LINE ITEM, UM, 1039A
SELVITZ TO MIDWAY ROAD.
>> [INAUDIBLE]
>> YOU WANT TO PUSH THAT UP
IS WHAT I'M HEARING.
>> CORRECT, UH, 36 TO 40 TIME
FRAME.
>> OKAY.
>> THAT'S TRUE.
>> IS THAT FEASIBLE,
MR. BUCHWALD?
>> ACTUALLY, UH, SERINE DID.
THANK YOU, SERINE,
DID PROVIDE IT.
SO, WHEN IT COMES TO IT,
WE TALK ABOUT AMENDING
THE PLAN, RIGHT?
YOU CAN AMEND THE PLAN AT
ANY TIME.
IT'S MUCH MORE, UH, EASIER TO-TO
MOVE PROJECTS
ONCE YOU ADOPT THE PLAN TO,
UH, MOVE A PROJECT UP
OR BACK AS AN AMENDMENT
THEN TO, UH, INTRODUCE
A NEW PROJECT.
>> IT-IT DOESN'T, UM...
MADAM CHAIR, IT DOESN'T REQUIRE
A MAJOR AMENDMENT TO MOVE
A PROJECT FROM ONE TIER
TO THE OTHER,
UM, AT THE DISCRETION WHEN
YOU HAVE FUNDS,
LOCAL FUNDS AVAILABLE, YOU CAN
MOVE ONE-ONE TIER PROJECT,
UH, YOU CAN ADVANCE ONE PROJECT.
>> WITHOUT AMENDING THE PLAN.
>> YEAH, IT'S JUST BECAUSE
THE PLAN ITSELF IS THE,
YOU KNOW, THE LIST OF PROJECTS.
THE... YOU KNOW, THE TIER-WISE
ADJUSTMENT,
YOU CAN MAKE IT WHEN FUNDS COME
AVAILABLE.
THEY CHANGE ALL THE TIME
THE AVAILABILITY OF FUNDS.
>> EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND THAT?
WE CAN... WE CAN PRIORITIZE
THESE PROJECTS
WITHOUT AMENDING THE PLAN
AS NEEDED.
>> WE CAN MOVE 'EM DEPENDING
ON CIRCUMSTANCES.
IF CIRCUMSTANCES CHANGE,
LOCAL FUNDING
BECAUSE WE HAVE TO HAVE
MORE FEDERAL FUNDING
WITH THE PASSIVE FUND YOU CAN
DO IT,
SO THE QUESTION, DAN, IS THOSE
THAT SHOULD.
UM, THAT'S THE QUESTION.
SHOULD, UH, SELVITZ TO MIDWAY
COME BEFORE
COMMERCE CENTER TO RANGELINE?
>> NO, WE-WE THINK
THAT'S THE-THE FIRST
SEGMENT
THAT NEEDS TO BE BUILT.
>> OKAY, SO YOU HAVE IT.
SO THEN, IT'S OKAY, WE HAVE
A LITTLE LEFTOVER.
WE HAVE THAT, UM, YOU SEE THERE,
WE HAVE ABOUT 16 MILLION AND 20,
30, 60, 40 DOLLARS.
SO THAT WE CAN APPLY TOWARDS,
UM, AND THEN IF WE GET
ADDITIONAL FUNDING,
SO THIS IS ANOTHER SOURCE.
WE CAN ADVANCE THAT, UH, SELVITZ
TO MIDWAY,
UH, IF THEY CAN MAKE UP
THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE...
IF THEY, UH...
ASSUMING WE GET NO OTHER FUNDING
FROM THE FEDERAL LEVEL
OR THROUGH A GRANT OR SOMETHING,
IF LOCAL FUNDS OR CONTRIBUTIONS
COME UP TO,
THEN WE CAN ADVANCE THAT UP TO
THE SECOND PHASE
WITH THAT ADDITIONAL FUNDING
SOURCE.
SO WE HAVE, UH, PARTIALLY
FUNDED,
BUT WE CAN'T SHOW IT AS
PARTIALLY FUNDED WITH
A TIME BAN COZ THEY WANT THE...
UH, FEDERAL HIGHWAY WANTS IT
TO BE...
>> SO, WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS
THERE'S 25 MILLION DOLLARS MORE
TO DO THAT SEGMENT AND WE DON'T
HAVE IT TECHNICALLY FUNDED
IN THIS PLAN.
SO WE CAN'T MOVE IT UP UNTIL
IT'S FUNDED.
>> OKAY. >> YEAH
>> I HAVE A QUESTION.
THERE'S IMPACT FEES BEING
COLLECTED
FROM THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY,
AND SO WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE
IN TERMS OF,
ESPECIALLY WITH THE INNER LOCAL
THAT THE CITY HAS
WITH THE COUNTY AND THERE'S
SEVEN
OR NINE ROADS IN THERE.
GLADES AND RANGELINE BEING THE
TWO MOST IMPORTANT
THAT WE'VE BEEN FOCUSING ON
BECAUSE OF THE WESTERN
DEVELOPMENT.
WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE
FROM THE COUNTY SIDE IN TERMS OF
IF YOU WANNA GET SOMETHING
DONE FASTER UTILIZING
THE FUNDS FROM IMPACT FEES
AND TALKING ABOUT MARRYING THOSE
TWO RESOURCES TOGETHER?
>> SO, I THINK HE'S SAYING
IS PRE...
YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT...
IT'S PROBABLY DOABLE.
HE JUST CANNOT SHOW IT ON PAPER
RIGHT NOW.
>> RIGHT, WE DIDN'T SEE MANY.
>> I'M ASKING FROM THE COUNTY
PERSPECTIVE.
I'M NOT ASKING FROM
THE TPO PERSPECTIVE.
>> DAN, HOW MUCH IMPACT
[INAUDIBLE] FOR THE PROJECT?
>> WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT LOOKS
LIKE IN THE FIVE-YEAR CIP
TO SAY WHAT,
YOU KNOW, WHICH IS ACTUALLY
A REQUIREMENT, RIGHT?
BUT WE NEED TO IN-IN-IN PLANNING
ALL THIS,
IT'S VERY HELPFUL FOR US TO KNOW
WHAT ALL THIS LOOKS LIKE.
>> CAN I JUST ANSWER THAT?
YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY... SO BECAUSE
WE RELY ON THE CIP,
IT'S NOT IN THE CIP YET,
THE-THE-THE CONSTRUCTION OF IT.
SO WE DON'T HAVE AN ESTIMATE
OF HOW MANY IMPACT FEES,
OTHER THAN WHAT
THE COUNTY THINKS
IN THE FUTURE WE'LL BE
ALLOCATING TO IT.
SO, WE RELY ON THE COUNTY.
>> WE NEED TO FINISH THE PD&E
FOR ALL THAT INFORMATION.
>> OKAY, BUT YOU HAVE
A FIVE-YEAR CIP
THAT GETS TALKED ABOUT
EVERY YEAR.
WHAT'S GETTING PUT INTO
THE FIVE-YEAR CIP THAT IS
IMPACT FEE RELATED THAT
IS SUPPOSED TO BE
ENCUMBERED FOR THESE PROJECTS
IS WHAT I'M SAYING,
AND WE STILL DON'T HAVE ANSWERS
FOR THAT
AND THIS IS HELPFUL IN PLANNING
FOR THESE THINGS,
BECAUSE YOU NEED TO KNOW WHERE
IT'S ALL COMING FROM.
SO, BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING
IN THIS CIP
FROM THE COUNTY THAT WE CAN
LOOK TO AND SAY,
ALL RIGHT, WHAT WE KNOW IS
COMING AND THESE-THESE
THINGS MAY BE ABLE TO BE, UM,
MARRIED TOGETHER WITH FUNDING,
THIS MAKES VERY DIFFICULT FOR
PLANNING FOR US.
I COULD TELL YOU WHAT'S IN,
YOU KNOW,
AND YOU CAN LOOK AT
OUR FIVE-YEAR CIP
AND SEE WHAT'S IN IT AND KNOW
WHAT'S COMING AHEAD,
AND WE LEVERAGE ALL THOSE
RESOURCES
TO MAKE IT WORK TOGETHER.
SIMILARLY, LIKE PSL BOULEVARD
SET BY ADVANCING
11 MILLION DOLLARS
AND THEN WITH...
IN WORKING WITH THE STATE.
SO, THIS IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO
GET AT HERE
WHEN THAT WE'RE...
YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE JACKING
THESE THINGS AROUND,
WE NEED TO KNOW WHERE IT'S ALL
COMING FROM,
ESPECIALLY WHEN WE HAVE AN INNER
LOCAL
THAT SAYS THAT-THAT THE FUND
IS SUPPOSED TO BE ENCUMBER.
>> I UNDERSTAND WHAT
YOU'RE SAYING,
SO IT'S NOT IN YOUR CIP YET.
>> CORRECT, WE-WE HAVE TO HAVE
THE PD&E RESULTS FIRST.
>> OKAY, AND WHEN DO YOU EXPECT
THAT?
>> I THINK WHEN WE UPDATE THIS
IN FIVE YEARS,
WE'LL HAVE THAT ESTIMATE.
FIVE... UPDATE THE PLAN
IN FIVE YEARS.
COZ IT'S-IT'S...
RIGHT NOW, IT'S PROGRAMMED IN
2041 FOR GLADES CUT OFF.
AND THE FIRST EARLIEST
WE COULD...
>> YEAH, WE CAN'T.
WE DON'T HAVE FIVE YEARS
FOR THIS PROJECT.
WHEN WILL YOUR PD&E BE DONE
AND WHEN-WHEN DO YOU EXPECT?
>> SHOULD BE WITHIN THE YEAR.
>> OKAY, SO WE CAN ADOPT IT
AS IS AND AMEND THIS WHEN
WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION.
>> HEY, CAN I JUST ASK
A GENERAL QUESTION, MADAM CHAIR?
>> SURE.
>> UM, WHEN IT COMES TO GLADES,
JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY,
ARE THERE ANY DEVELOPER
REQUIREMENTS
FOR PARTICULAR PARTS OF GLADES
TO BE BUILT?
>> YES.
>> YES, VICE MAYOR,
THE... I THINK THE LTC RANCH IS
OBLIGATED TO BUILD UP TO 95.
>> YEAH, WE HAVE THOSE
REFLECTED, UM, HERE
AND, UH, THAT DEVELOPER NETWORK.
>> ON RANGELINE, NOT GLADES,
THOUGH.
>> OH, RIGHT HERE,
WE HAVE IT HERE.
YOU SEE IT HERE?
>> BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S
GONNA BE...
>> THE SEGMENT ON GLADES
RIGHT HERE.
>> SO FROM-FROM WILDER TO 95.
>> YEAH.
>> AND SO DO WE KNOW WHEN THOSE,
UM, EXTENSIONS
OR EXPANSIONS WILL BE COMPLETED?
>> HAVE THEY BEEN TRIGGERED?
>> AGAIN, NO, WE'RE-WE'RE
WAITING FOR THE PD&E TO FINISH
TO TELL US WHICH SECTION IS
SUPPOSED TO
OR NEEDS TO GO FIRST.
SO IF THAT SECTION IDENTIFIES
THEY NEED TO GO FIRST,
THAT'S WHERE THE IMPACT FEES
AND ALL THAT GO TOWARDS.
>> NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE
DEVELOPER FUNDED PORTIONS
IN THE SENSE OF THE TRIGGERING
OF THE HOMES.
IS IT... IS IT A...
IS IT UPON, AND I MEAN THIS
QUESTION
CAN COME BACK LATER JUST FOR
PROPER PLANNING.
LIKE I JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND
IS.
>> I CAN TELL YOU FOR
OAKWOOD ROAD.
I DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT
BUT, UH, I THINK
IT'S ONCE I GET TO 620 COS
IS WHEN THE IMPROVEMENTS
TO GLADES CUT OFF,
UH, WHEN IT'S TRIGGERED FOR
GLADES CUT OFF.
>> OKAY.
>> THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN.
>> OKAY, NO, IT'S JUST
COZ I THINK, TOO,
IT DEPENDS ON THE TRIGGER POINTS
AND WHEN THEY'RE BEING TRIGGERED
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY,
I UNDERSTAND YOU NEED YOUR
P&... PD&E STUDY.
I THINK MY QUESTION WOULD BE IS,
WHAT IS THE ANTICIPATED TIMELINE
IN THE SENSE OF THAT TIMING
OF WHEN THOSE COME ONLINE VERSUS
WHEN THE COUNTY'S GONNA PUT
THEIRS ONLINE.
I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT
TO ALIGN AS WELL.
>> I KNOW THAT... I KNOW THAT'S
WHAT YOU'RE TRYNA SAY.
BUT I WAS LIKE I THINK THAT'S
REALLY IMPORTANT
BECAUSE WE HAVE THOSE COMING ON,
UM, AND THEN IT'S GONNA WHITTLE
DOWN
TO LIKE A TWO LANE AGAIN, SO...
>> IT IS.
>> THANK YOU.
>> OKAY.
ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS?
EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND WHERE WE'RE
AT WITH THIS?
WE-WE WILL PRIORITIZE IT AS
NECESSARY
GIVEN MORE INFORMATION.
PD&E WHEN THEY...
AFTER THEY PUT IT IN THEIR CIP,
WE-WE CAN ADDRESS IT THEN.
>> GOOD WITH THAT?
>> DID THEY SAY WHEN THEY'RE
HAVING THE PD&E DONE?
>> HE SAID WITHIN THIS YEAR.
>> IN THE YEAR? THANKS.
>> YEAH. HE DID SAY
WITHIN THIS YEAR.
>> SO WE'RE NOT LOOKING
TO SHIFT, MADAM CHAIR.
WE'RE NOT.. WE'RE NOT LOOKING
TO SHIFT THE WAY, UH,
OUR DIRECTOR ASKED, PATRICK.
>> NOT AT THIS TIME BUT I'M ONLY
COMFORTABLE
IN THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE
THE ABILITY TO AMEND,
AND ONCE WE GET THE CORRECT
INFORMATION,
WE'LL BE ABLE TO-TO-TO FI-FIGURE
OUT
EXACTLY WHERE THOSE FUNDS ARE
COMING
COZ IT'S A $25 MILLION
DIFFERENCE.
AND THEN WE'LL KNOW WHERE THAT'S
COMING FROM,
AND THEN WE CAN PRIORITIZE IT.
>> YES, WITHOUT LOCAL FUNDS WE
CANNOT AFFORD TO MOVE,
UM, THAT SEGMENT, SELVITZ
TO MIDWAY,
INTO THE SECOND TIER UNLESS IT'S
AT THE EXPENSE
OF THE COMMERCE CENTER
TO RANGELINE.
>> YEAH, SO WE HAVE TO...
WE HAVE TO KNOW.
>> YEAH, MADAM CHAIR,
COZ HOW CAN YOU SHIFT
IF YOU DON'T HAVE A PD&E
THAT TELL YOU
WHICH ONE THAT SHOULD BE
DONE FIRST.
>> EXACTLY, SO ONCE
WE HAVE THAT,
WE ARE DEFINITELY OPEN
TO AMENDING
AND PUTTING THAT
INTO THE HIGHER TIER.
>> SURE, YEAH.
>> OKAY?
I NEED A MOTION.
[LAUGHTER]
>> MOTION FOR ALTERNATE A.
>> OH, YEAH, THIS IS A ROLL CALL
VOTE.
I'M SORRY.
BUT ARE THERE ANY FURTHER
DISCUSSION ITEMS ON THE...
IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION
ON
ALTERNATE A AS IT SITS NOW?
>> MADAM CHAIR, I HAVE
[INAUDIBLE] I'M-I'M UNCLEAR ON
SOMETHING
I NEED CLARIFICATION, UM...
EARLIER WE HEARD PUBLIC COMMENT
ABOUT SOMETHING
THE MAYOR ALLUDED TO MAKING
SOME COMMENTS.
IS THAT UNDER THIS AUSPICE THAT
WE'RE UNDER RIGHT NOW?
UM, AND THE REQUEST FOR
SOMETHING AND IT'S KINDA
HELD OVER SINCE THE DECEMBER
MEETING.
>> YES.
>> UH, WE WERE KINDA WAITING
ALSO ON FEEDBACK
FROM PORT ST. LUCIE.
I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND THAT.
>> DO YOU WANT ME TO TACKLE THAT
NOW OR?
>> YEAH.
>> THAT IS PART OF THE...
I KNOW IT'S PART OF THE WHOLE
THING,
BUT I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WANTED
TO GET THROUGH
THIS PART AND THEN GO AND TALK
ABOUT THAT
COZ THAT'S AN ADD-ON, CORRECT?
>> YEAH, YEAH.
>> IT'S NOT AN ADD-ON.
IT'S EITHER GONNA BE PART OF
THE PLAN OR IT'S NOT,
AND IT'S NOT PRESENTLY PART
OF THIS PLAN,
SO I THINK WE-WE SHOULD
TALK ABOUT IT.
AND WILL BE IN... OKAY.
SO, YEAH, ALRIGHT.
>> OKAY, THANK YOU.
>> IT'S NOT PART OF
THE LONG-TERM PLAN,
SO IT WOULD BE AN ADD-ON IF
WE WERE TO VOTE ON IT.
>> IF WE WERE TO VOTE ON IT,
YES.
>> HOWEVER, SO THIS IS ANOTHER
EXAMPLE
AND I KNOW I WAS NOT HERE
DECEMBER,
HOWEVER, I READ THE MINUTES.
I AM... I'M VERY MUCH AWARE OF
WHAT TRANSPIRED
AT THAT MEETING.
I DID HAVE A MEETING WITH, UM,
ASHLEY CAPITAL.
AND, UM, THE ISSUE IS THAT
THE CITY HAS DONE
A PLANNING AND INFRASTRUCTURE
STUDY.
THAT IS GONNA COME BEFORE
THE CITY COUNCIL
ON FEBRUARY 18TH AT OUR
WORKSHOP.
NO ONE ON THE COUNCIL, WE HAVE
NOT, AS A BODY,
HAD ANY OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS
THIS YET.
AND I KNOW WE GOT WHAT WE GOT,
UH,
AT 4:33 P.M. YESTERDAY,
AND I RESPECT IT.
I READ THROUGH IT.
UM, I COULD TELL YOU I HAD
A REALLY QUICK MEETING
WITH, UM, UH, OUR ATTORNEY
WITH SOME MEMBERS OF THE TEAM.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S NO WAY
THAT ANYONE
COULD DIGEST THIS INFORMATION
AND FIGURE IT OUT
FROM 4:30 YESTERDAY TO
TWO O'CLOCK THIS AFTERNOON.
I DON'T KNOW IF THE
COUNCIL MEMBERS HAD A TIME...
HAD TIME TO LOOK AT IT.
I LOOKED AT WHAT, UM,
CONGRESSMAN MAST, UM, WROTE
AND, UM, I AM SO GRATEFUL FOR IT
AND I RESPECT IT,
AND I AGREE WITH A LOT OF WHAT
YOU SAID.
HOWEVER, THE CITY COUNCIL HAS
TO TALK ABOUT IT.
IT'S PART OF... GONNA BE PART
OF THIS PRESENTATION
ON HOW THAT SEGMENT IS GONNA
AFFECT THE SOUTHWEST
ANNEXATION ROADWAY NETWORK GOING
FORWARD.
AND WE HAVE TO MAKE DECISIONS
WITH REGARD TO THAT.
AND ONCE WE CAN COME UP WITH
A POLICY DECISION,
THEN IT'D BE GREAT TO BE ABLE
TO BRING BACK HERE
AND SAY, HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE
DECIDED AS A BOARD,
WE'RE SHARING IT WITH THE TPO.
LET'S MOVE FORWARD.
AND I KNOW THERE'S
BACK AND FORTH
WITH THE, UH, LETTER FROM THE
ATTORNEY
ABOUT WHETHER IT HAS TO GO TO
THE TPO FIRST
OR THE PORT ST. LUCIE CITY
COUNCIL FIRST.
BUT THE REALITY IS, IT'S IN OUR
JURISDICTION,
AND IT DOES...
WHATEVER DECISION WE MAKE
DOES AFFECT THE ROADWAY NETWORK.
AND WE ARE GONNA BE SHOWN THE
SCENARIOS
OF WHAT ALL THAT LOOKS LIKE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THE REST
OF THE COUNCIL
HAS HAD ALL THEIR ONE ON ONES.
UH, COUNCILMAN BONNET IS NOT
PRESENT HERE.
SO IT'S... TO BE REALLY FAIR
TO OUR BOARD,
WE NEED TO TAKE THIS UP FIRST,
AND THEN I KNOW THAT WE CAN
AMEND THE LONG-RANGE PLAN
ANYTIME WE WANT AND COME BACK
LIKE WE JUST TALKED ABOUT.
SO, I PREFER WE DO IT THAT WAY
TO BE RESPECTFUL
OF OUR BOARD
AND THEN WE CAN CO...
AND WE CAN CONTINUE WORKING
ON THIS AND-AND
COME UP WITH OUR POLICY
BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATIONS
WE'RE GONNA GET
FROM OUR STAFF AND KITTLESON,
WHO IS OUR ENGINEERING FIRM,
UM, BEFORE WE E-ENTER IT
INTO THIS PLAN.
>> OKAY.
>> OKAY, COMMENTS?
CO-COUNCILWOMAN MORGAN.
>> SO JUST TO REITERATE WHAT
HAPPENED IN DECEMBER
AND ACCORDING TO THE MINUTES,
THE CONNECTION WAS NOT INCLUDED
IN THE NETWORK MODELING
BECAUSE IT HAS
NOT BEEN INCLUDED IN
ANY OF THE PLANS
OF THE CITY OF PORT ST. LUCIE.
AND THIS GOES BACK TO 2023 WHEN
WE...
IT DID COME FOR US AT THAT TIME
AND IT WAS UNANIMOUS OF NO DOING
THE CONNECTION,
AND THEN IT WAS BROUGHT
TO THE TPO.
SO, I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE
ADDING THAT IN
BECAUSE IT HASN'T COME TO US
AS A BOARD AGAIN,
FOR THE SECOND ROUND.
SO I WOULD APPRECIATE THE...
I-I ECHO WHAT THE MAYOR SAYS,
THIS HAS TO COME BEFORE US.
WE HAVE OUR WORKSHOP PLAN FOR
THE 18TH, 19TH, AND 20TH,
SO I DON'T WANNA SEE THIS, SEE
THAT ON HERE AT ALL.
THERE'S NO SENSE IN DOING...
PUTTING THE EGG
NOT THE EGG, THE HORSE
BEFORE THE CART
THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE,
WHATEVER IT IS.
SO, LET US HAVE A CHANCE.
>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS
ON THIS SUBJECT MATTER?
>> I JUST LIKE TO ASK QUESTION
JUST TO CLARIFY,
PETER, THAT I KNOW THAT
MAYOR SAID IT
BUT, UH, EARLIER YOU SAID THAT
THE PRIORITIZATION CAN CHANGE.
I JUST WANNA ALSO VERIFY THAT IF
THE TPO BOARD
DECIDES UPON THE CONVERSATION
WITH PORT ST. LUCIE TO LATER
ADD IT,
WE CAN ADD A PROJECT
AFTER IT'S ADOPTED, CORRECT?
>> THAT WOULD BE AN AMENDMENT,
BUT WE CAN DO THAT, WE CAN
AMEND.
I-I SPOKE TO MR. BUCHWALD
EARLIER TODAY
TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE OF
THIS MATTER,
THAT WE CAN AMEND THIS PLAN
GOING FORWARD.
>> YES.
>> ANYTIME WE-WE SO CHOOSE.
>> YEAH, I ASSUME, UM,
MADAM CHAIRWOMAN
AND VICE CHAIR, I MEAN
VICE MAYOR,
THE, UM, THAT'S ACTUALLY
A LITTLE MORE SIMPLER
AMENDMENT BECAUSE WE WOULD
ASSUME IT'D BE
DEVELOPER-FUNDED COZ WE HAVE
NO MONEY FOR IT.
AND SO, IT'S EASY FOR US
TO AMEND A PLAN,
EASIER WHEN WE DON'T HAVE
TO PAY FOR IT
COZ WE JUST HAVE... WE HAVE
ADDITIONAL FUNDS,
SO IT STILL REMAINS COST
FEASIBLE,
AND MEETS THE FEDERAL AND STATE
REQUIREMENTS.
>> AND-AND JUST-JUST FOR PART
OF THE PROJECT,
I THINK THE PROJECT IS
AN IMPORTANT PROJECT
FOR THE ENTIRE REGION.
I UNDERSTAND IT'S NOT WITHIN
ST. LUCIE PROPER,
BUT I THINK IT'S GONNA BE A VERY
IMPACTFUL PROJECT.
AND, UM, I LOOK FORWARD
TO THE CONVERSATIONS
WITH THE COUNCIL.
I-I AS WELL AM CONCERNED WITH,
AND I'VE SHARED THIS WITH
THE-THE INDIVIDUALS
THAT I'M CONCERNED WITH
PROVIDING FEEDBACK HERE
WITHOUT FIRST HAVING ALL THE
INFORMATION BEFORE THE BOARD,
AND MORE IMPORTANTLY THAN VOTING
HERE ONE WAY
AND MAYBE VOTING ANOTHER WAY
IN THE FUTURE
IF THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS AND SO,
I WANNA BE CONCISE WITH
MY DECISION-MAKING
AND I WANNA BE CONCISE
WITH THE INFORMATION
THAT I PROVIDE TO THIS BOARD
AS WELL TO ENSURE
THAT, UM, YOU KNOW,
I'M NOT DOUBLE SPEAKING.
I'M NOT COMING BACK ONE DAY
AND SAYING SOMETHING ELSE,
AND, UM...
>> I THINK THAT'S A FAIR POINT
TO FORCE YOU
INTO A VOTE ON SOMETHING THAT
YOU
HAVE NOT THOROUGHLY DISCUSSED,
WHICH IS WHAT WE WOULD HAVE TO
DO HERE,
COZ IT IS A ROLL CALL, UM, SEEMS
UNWARRANTED.
SO I DO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE
SAYING.
>> WELL, AND BUSINESS TIMING IS
BUSINESS TIMING,
AND SO I CO-COMPLETELY RESPECT
THE PROCESS
THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE
A BUSINESS TIME
AND THEY HAVE TO GET THINGS DONE
TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD.
AND SO, I WANNA BE COGNIZANT
OF THAT.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THERE IS
A-A PROCEDURE
AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE
DOING IT RIGHT.
>> AND I WANT, UM, THE DEVELOPER
TO UNDERSTAND
THAT WE ARE DOING OUR
DUE DILIGENCE.
THIS IS... THIS IS COMPLETELY
ON THE TABLE.
WE WILL WORK THROUGH IT.
WE WILL FIGURE OUT AN ANSWER
TO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO WITH
THIS PROJECT.
>> MADAM CHAIR.
>> COMMISSIONER LEET.
>> IN-INSTEAD OF KEEPING IT OFF
AND HAVING AN AMENDMENT,
EH, IS IT POSSIBLE TO PUT IT ON
AND DELETE
THE PROJECT IF THE COUNCIL
DECIDES NOT TO?
>> THAT WOULD BE FORCING THEM
INTO A VOTE
THAT THEY HAVE NOT.
THEY WOULD BE DOUBLE VOTING
ON AN ITEM THAT THEY HAVEN'T
DISCUSSED YET.
>> OKAY.
>> SO THEY'RE ASKING
RESPECTFULLY NOT TO BE
PUT IN THAT POSITION, WHICH
I SEE NO, UH, MAJOR
OR IMMEDIATE ADVANTAGE
TO PUTTING IT ON AT THIS TIME.
CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG.
>> THAT'S WHAT I WAS...
>> BUT WE... BUT WE ARE CAUSING
THEM, UM,
WHAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE A, UM,
A HUGE ISSUE FOR THEM GOING
FORWARD,
ESPECIALLY GIVEN IF THEY CHANGE
THEIR MIND.
>> I MEAN, WE HAVE TO...
WE HAVEN'T EVEN TALKED ABOUT
THE DATA.
WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT ANYTHING
THAT... HOW THE ROADWAY NETWORK
AFFECTS...
IS AFFECTED BY CERTAIN ROAD
ASPECTS,
CERTAIN RO... THINGS BEING
COMPLETED WHETHER
THE INTERCHANGE IS IN,
WHETHER PAR IS IN.
I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT THAT
WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT
BEFORE WE CAN JUST BLINDLY SAY,
YEAH, LET'S JUST...
LET'S JUST DO THIS.
IT NEEDS TO BE A POLICY DECISION
ON OUR COUNCIL BEFORE IT COMES
HERE.
>> YEAH, IT-IT'S ONE THING
THAN...
I HAD MY ONE-ON-ONE ABOUT THIS,
UM,
THE ROAD-ROAD NETWORK OUT
IN THE SOUTHWEST...
SOUTHWEST ANNEXATION.
UM, TWO DAYS AGO.
I GOT THE LETTER YESTERDAY
AFTERNOON FROM...
OR-OR EMAIL FROM-FROM JILL
WITH THE LETTER FROM
CONGRESSMAN MAST.
I BARELY HAD TIME TO DIGEST IT.
I HAVEN'T HAD TIME TO TALK IT
OVER WITH THE CITY MANAGER.
I HAVEN'T HAD TIME TO TALK IT
OVER WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY.
AND-AND I THINK IT'S UNFAIR
TO ASK THE FOUR OF US
TO VOTE ON SOMETHING THAT...
THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE'VE
EVER DISCUSSED IT PUBLICLY.
>> YEAH, WHICH IS, UH, REALLY...
>> EXCEPT IN 2020.
WE COULD HAVE PROBABLY DISCUSSED
IT LIKELY.
>> SO I THINK IT'S...
I THINK IT'S UNFAIR TO ASK US TO
ADOPT
SOMETHING NOW THAT WE
HAVEN'T REALLY HAD
A TIME TO-TO DIGEST
AND-AND TALK AMONGST OURSELVES
ABOUT IT AND WE CAN, I MEAN, WE
CAN BRING IT BACK.
IT'S NOT...
>> I CAN GUARANTEE YOU WE WILL
BRING IT BACK.
>> YEAH.
>> AND-AND I WANNA THANK
THE CONGRESSMAN
FOR THE SUPPORT IN
THE PROJECT BECAUSE,
LIKE I SAID, I DO THINK IT'S
AN IMPORTANT
PROJECT IN THE REGION.
AND REGARDLESS OF WHETHER
IT'S IN THE CITY
OR IN THE COUNTY, IT'S GONNA
BENEFIT THE COUNTY
COZ WE'RE ALL GOING TO BE ABLE
TO WORK TOGETHER,
AND SHARE JOBS, AND THOSE
KINDA THINGS.
SO I THINK IT'S GONNA BE
A GREAT PROJECT
IN THE REGION AND I APPRECIATE
HIM OPINING ON IT, UM...
>> SO, TODAY'S DECISION NOT TO
VOTE IS NOT A NO.
IT WILL COME BACK, IT WILL COME
BACK, OKAY?
>> JUST, I GUESS, I HAVE
A QUESTION FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS.
SO IS IT THE CITY'S INTENT TO
DISCUSS IT THIS MONTH THEN?
COZ AT THE WORKSHOP...
>> AND I KNOW THERE WAS A LOT
FROM PSL.
YOU WEREN'T HERE LAST MEETING.
YOU WEREN'T HERE LAST MEETING
BUT IT WAS
MY UNDERSTANDING WHEN
I LEFT HERE THAT
THOSE CONVERSATIONS WERE GOING
TO BE HAPPENING
AND SO THEN WE WENT INTO
THIS MEETING,
WE COULD MAKE A DECISION,
AND SO I WOULD JUST ASK
FOR CLARIFICATION SO WE'RE NOT
HAVING THIS ISSUE
EVERY TWO MONTHS, YOU KNOW, WE
PUT...
WE PUT ON HOLD, THAT'S ALL.
>> IT IS ON THE WORKSHOP.
I SET THE AGENDA WITH STAFF
FOR OUR WORKSHOP.
>> PERFECT.
>> I MADE SURE THAT DR. DELANEY
WAS AVAILABLE.
I CHECKED... WE CHECKED, UM, UM,
KITTLESON'S SCHEDULE
AND THEY ARE AVAILABLE
ON FEBRUARY 18TH
AT NINE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING,
WHICH IS THE START OF
OUR WORKSHOP.
>> GOT IT.
>> AND SO, I MADE SURE TO SET IT
SO THAT EVERYONE IS AVAILABLE TO
DISCUSS THIS.
BECAUSE IT'S-IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT
THAT SEGMENT,
IT'S ABOUT THE... OUR ENTIRE
NETWORK,
AND WE HAVE TO GIVE POLICY
DIRECTION ON IT.
UM, AND SO, BECAUSE I KNEW THAT
I-I READ UP ON
WHAT WAS DONE HERE,
AND I UNDERS... LIKE I STATED.
I UNDERSTAND THE BUSINESS ASPECT
OF IT,
I RESPECT IT.
I-I... LIKE I SAID, I AGREE WITH
A LOT OF THE THINGS
THAT CONGRESSMAN MAST WROTE
IN HERE,
BUT WE HAVE TO DISCUSS IT
HOLISTICALLY,
COZ IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT ONE
THING,
IT'S ABOUT SEVERAL THINGS AND
IT'S A HOLISTIC VIEW.
AND-AND WE CAN BRING IT BACK
WHENEVER OUR DECISION IS.
WE HAVE A MEETING IN APRIL.
>> YUP.
>> THIS BOARD,
THAT WE CAN BRING IT BACK
AND HAVE A DISCUSSION.
>> IF I... IF I MIGHT.
>> IF WE'RE... IF WE'RE READY TO
>> I WOULD REQUEST THAT WE START
WITH IT.
LIKE, WE BRING IT BACK FOR AN
UPDATE AND/OR
IF THE CITY DECIDES TO PUT IT ON
THE AGENDA.
AND THE REASON WHY I SAY THAT IS
BECAUSE,
UM, I WANT... I WANNA BE FAIR.
AND IF I SAY WE'RE GONNA BRING
IT BACK IN APRIL,
IF WE... LET'S SAY WE COME TO
THE DECISION
THAT WE NEED MORE INFORMATION
OR THAT THE CITY MANAGER NEEDS
TO DISCUSS THIS
WITH THE APPLICANT.
I DON'T WANNA...
THE-THE PERSON THAT'S MISSING
FROM THE CONVERSATION
IS THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE
CITY MANAGER AS WELL.
AND I DON'T WANNA TIE HIS HANDS
AS WELL.
>> WE'RE NOT GONNA PUT A DATE
ON IT.
WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT WE...
>> AND I... AND I WILL STAY IN
CONTACT.
I WILL 100% STAY IN CONTACT
WITH-WITH EVERYONE.
I'M SURE EVERYONE ELSE WILL,
TOO, TO TRY TO, UM...
AND TO TRY TO LEARN MORE BECAUSE
AGAIN, UH,
MS. MORASSA STATED THAT THERE IS
A PATH TO DO BOTH.
I-I-I NEED TO SPEND MORE TIME
WITH THEM AS WELL
TO UNDERSTAND THAT PATH AND WITH
OUR LEGAL TEAM.
>> SO I'M NOT RECOMMENDING THAT
WE MAKE A MOTION
TO BRING THIS BACK AT ANY
CERTAIN DATE,
BUT, UM, THERE'S TWO THINGS ON
THE TABLE HERE.
WE NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE
ALTERNATE A
AS OUR LONG-TERM PLAN
BUT SOMEBODY
IS VERY WELCOME TO MAKE
AN NEW MOTION
TO ADD, UM, THIS CONNECTOR ROAD
IF THEY WANT,
BUT THERE'S OUR TWO SEPARATE
MOTIONS.
SO, ANYTHING?
>> SO I ALREADY HAD A MOTION
ON THE FLOOR FOR ALTERNATIVE A.
>> OKAY, IS THERE A SECOND?
>> SECOND.
>> OKAY, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION?
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY, AYE.
>> HOLD ON WE GOTTA DO A ROLL
CALL VOTE BY STATUTE.
>> I KEEP FORGETTING WE HAVE TO
DO ROLL CALL.
>> IF I MAY ADD BEFORE THE VOTE,
MAY I ADD ONE THING THAT I-I
WILL NEED,
YOU KNOW, WHEN WE...
WE PRESENTED LEGAL OPINION
LATE YESTERDAY,
A 27 PAGE LONG LEGAL OPINION,
I WILL NEED, YOU KNOW, LEGAL
COUNSEL
TO ANALYZE THAT LEGAL OPINION
BOTH AND, UH,
FROM THE COUNTY TO REPRESENT
THE TPO,
AS WELL AS REPRESENTING
THE CITY COZ I CANNOT
ANALYZE A LEGAL
OPINION, SO.
>> WELL, AND I SPOKE WITH
RICHARD BARRIOS, OUR ATTORNEY
TODAY,
AND HE'S GETTING, UH, ELIZABETH
ON IT.
UM, AND OUR TEAM'S GONNA BE ON
IT.
I TALKED TO TERISSA.
I DIDN'T GET CHANCE TO GET
TO JESUS,
SO OUR TEAM IS GOING TO BE
ON THIS.
>> OKAY.
>> AND I WOULD SUGGEST WE ALL
SUPPORTED FDOT BECAUSE,
YOU KNOW, THEY'RE OUR PARTNERS
IN THIS AND THEIR ATTORNEYS
AS WELL COZ IT'S ALSO,
YOU KNOW, STATE.
WE'RE TRYING TO FOLLOW A STATE
STATUTE HERE.
SO, LEGAL OPINIONS ARE RENDERED
BY THEIR TEAM.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW WE NEED TO
HAVE OUR LEGAL OPINIONS AS WELL,
JU-JUST WHETHER OR NOT
THEY CONFIRM WHAT THAT
LEGAL OPINION IS OR WHETHER
THEY THINK
IT'S SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
>> WELL, I FEEL CONFIDENT WE ARE
DOING OUR DUE DILIGENCE.
WE ARE NOT IGNORING THIS ISSUE.
WE ARE GOING TO PUT IT BACK
ON THE AGENDA AT SOME POINT WITH
THE COMPLETE,
YOU KNOW, BRIEFCASE OF
INFORMATION.
[LAUGHING]
>> FOR SURE.
>> YES.
>> ALL RIGHT. ROLL CALL.
>> OKAY, UM, THERE'S A MOTION
TO ADOPT THE REIMAGINED MOBILITY
2050 LONG-RANGE TRANSPORTATION
PLAN
WITH ALTERNATIVE A CALIFORNIA
BOULEVARD INCLUDED.
CHAIRWOMAN ARONSON?
>> YES.
>> COUNCILMAN PICKETT?
>> YES.
>> COMMISSIONER CURTIS?
>> YES.
>> VICE MAYOR CARABALLO?
>> YES, MA'AM.
>> MAYOR MARTIN?
>> YES, MA'AM.
>> COUNCILWOMAN MORGAN?
>> YES, MA'AM.
>> COMMISSIONER CLASBY?
>> YES, MA'AM.
>> COMMISSIONER FOWLER?
>> YES MA'AM.
>> COMMISSIONER LEET?
>> YES MA'AM.
>> COMMISSIONER LOWRY?
>> YES MA'AM.
>> MOTION CARRIES.
>> VERY GOOD.
>> CONGRATULATIONS,
ALL RIGHT!
YOU GUYS SHOULD BE REALLY PROUD
OF YOURSELVES.
[STATIC]
OH, THERE YOU GO.
IT'S SOMEONE SPEAKING.
>> DAVE GOT SO EXCITED.
>> ALRIGHT, ARE THERE ANY OTHER
MOTIONS IN REFERENCE
TO THE LONG-RANGE TRANSPORTATION
PLAN?
PUTTING IT TO BED.
DISCUSSION ITEMS.
FISCAL YEAR 2026, '27, '27, '28.
UNIFIED PLANNING WORK PROGRAM.
[UNINTELLIGIBLE]
[CLATTERS]
>> YEAH.
>> OKAY, AGAIN, CONGRATULATIONS.
THAT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE
BIGGEST THINGS THAT MPO DOES,
IS ADOPT IT'S LONG-RANGE PLAN.
WE DID IT BY BUILDING CONSENSUS
AND WORKING THROUGH ALL
THE ISSUES.
IT'S A TERRIFIC JOB BY ALL
OF YOU.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
SO NOW, IF YOU RECALL FROM THE
DECEMBER MEETING,
THE UNIFIED WORK, PLANNING WORK
PROGRAM,
CALL FOR PLANNING PROJECTS WAS
INITIALLY PRESENTED
TO THE BOARD.
AND IT IS DESCRIBING THE UNIFIED
PLANNING WORK PROGRAM ITSELF,
AND HOW IT IS A TWO-YEAR PROGRAM
THAT'S REQUIRED FOR...
FEDERAL AND STATE FUNDING, WHICH
REFLECTS THE LOCAL NEEDS,
AND IDENTIFIES THE SCHEDULES FOR
EACH STUDY AND TASKS.
SEVERAL STUDIES WERE PROPOSED,
AND TWO OF THOSE STUDIES
GENERATED SIGNIFICANT DISCUSSION
BY THE BOARD.
THOSE WERE THE PROPOSED PLANNING
TO FACILITATE THE RELOCATION
OF FLORIDA EAST COAST RAILROAD
INTERMODAL FACILITY AWAY...
FROM DOWNTOWN FORT PIERCE,
AND EXPLORE THE FEASIBILITY OF
REALIGNMENT
OF THE FLORIDA EAST COAST
RAILROAD K-LINE CORRIDOR.
NOW, THE DISCUSSION BY THE BOARD
INCLUDED VARYING OPINIONS
OF WHETHER FEC WOULD BE
CONDUCTING RAIL PLANNING
ASSOCIATED WITH THE FLORIDA EAST
COAST RAILROAD,
THE DIFFICULTY TO ENFORCE ACTION
AGAINST THE FLORIDA EAST COAST
RAILROAD,
AND THEN A LONGER TERM ISSUE
OF WASTE DISPOSAL OF
TRANSFERRING WASTE
TO THE OKEECHOBEE LANDFILL.
SO AFTER THAT CONSIDERABLE
DISCUSSION,
THERE APPEAR TO BE CONSENSUS
FOR THE AGENDA ITEM
RETURNED TODAY FOR FURTHER
DISCUSSION.
SO, BASED ON THE BOARD'S
DISCUSSION
AND THAT SUBSEQUENT DISCUSSION
WITH ST. LUCIE COUNTY,
THE FOLLOWING OTHER STUDIES ARE
PROPOSED EITHER IN PLACE OF,
OR IN ADDITION TO, THE FREIGHT
RAIL PLANNING.
AND THESE ARE THE NORTH COUNTY
SUB-AREA
TRANSPORTATION NETWORK STUDY,
BECAUSE THAT'S THE AREA.
WEST OF INDRIO ROAD AND I-95
INTERCHANGE IS SUBJECT TO RECENT
AND POTENTIAL LARGE-SCALE
SUBURBAN DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS.
A SUB-AREA TRANSPORTATION
NETWORK STUDY IS PROPOSED
TO ASSESS THE POTENTIAL
CUMULATIVE TRAFFIC IMPACTS
OF THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT,
IDENTIFY SYSTEM IMPROVEMENTS AND
PROBABLE COSTS NECESSARY
TO ABSORB THE TRANSPORTATION
IMPACTS OF THAT POTENTIAL
DEVELOPMENT.
THEN THE ST. LUCIE FREIGHT AND
WASTE HAULING ACTIVITY STUDY.
BECAUSE THE TPO AREA IS
EXPERIENCING SIGNIFICANT
INCREASES
IN FREIGHT ACTIVITY,
DUE TO THE WAREHOUSING
DISTRIBUTION FACILITIES THAT
HAVE BEEN CONSTRUCTED.
IN ADDITION,
WASTE HAULING ACTIVITY HAS
SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASED
IN THE AIR DUE TO
THE FLORIDA EAST COAST RAILROAD,
TRANSFERRING WASTE FROM
MIAMI-DADE COUNTY
TO OKEECHOBEE COUNTY LANDFILL.
THEREFORE, A FREIGHT AND WASTE
HAULING ACTIVITY STAYS PROPOSED
TO ASSESS THE CUMULATIVE EFFECTS
OF THE FREIGHT
AND WASTE HAULING ON OUR ROADWAY
NETWORK,
AND REVISE THAT ST. LUCIE
FREIGHT NETWORK,
AND RECOMMEND INFRASTRUCTURE
OPERATIONAL IMPROVEMENTS
TO OPTIMIZE FREIGHT ACTIVITY
AND THE COLLECTION,
TRANSPORTATION, AND DISPOSAL
OF SOLID WASTE
ON THE OVERALL TPO ROADWAY
NETWORK.
FINALLY, THE WALTON SCRUB
PRESERVE PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION
STUDY
IS TO EXPLORE OPTIONS FOR
DEVELOPING A PEDESTRIAN
CONNECTION
BETWEEN THE WALTON
SCRUB PRESERVE,
WHERE AN OBSERVATION TOWER IS
UNDER-CONSTRUCTED,
AS INDICATED ON THE LEFT...
OR AS DEPICTED ON THE LEFT,
TO A PROPOSED FISHING WHARF
ON INDIAN RIVER DRIVE.
AND SO YOU CAN SEE HERE IN THIS
AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH
ON THE LOWER RIGHT CORNER, IS
THE OBSERVATION TOWER.
THE COUNTY IS ALSO CONSIDERING
IMPROVEMENTS TO THE RIVERSIDE
BULKHEAD
AND OTHER SOME TYPE OF WHARF
IMPROVEMENTS.
AND SO, THE COUNTY'S DESIRES
OF EXPLORING WHAT WAYS,
WHAT DIFFERENT OPTIONS ARE
THERE, IF ANY,
FOR CONNECTING PEDESTRIAN
CONNECTION BETWEEN THOSE TWO
FEATURES.
SO, I LOOK FORWARD TO, WE LOOK
FORWARD TO,
DIRECTION FROM THE BOARD WITH
REGARDS TO THESE PARTICULAR
PROJECTS.
>> SO, MR. BUCHWALD, WE ARE
MIXING THE FREIGHT RAIL PLANNING
AND SUBSTITUTING ONE OF THESE?
>> NO, I WOULD NE,
[LAUGHTER]
IT'S SUGGESTED THAT,
SHOULD THE BOARD WISH,
>> AND NOW, THE PETER VERSION
OF THAT.
>> SHOULD THE BOARD WISH,
THESE ARE APPRO...
SEEM TO BE APPROPRIATE TIMELY
STUDIES IN PLACE,
BUT WE ALSO CAN DO IT ALL. SO,
>> IF WE CAN DO IT ALL,
WHY ARE WE HAVING THIS
DISCUSSION? [LAUGHTER]
>> SO THAT WHEN I BRING IT
TO YOU BEFORE IN APRIL, BEFORE
ADOPTION,
THAT WE'LL ALL HAVE
THE UNDERSTANDING
OF WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING OVER
THE NEXT TWO YEARS.
BECAUSE THIS PLAN WILL BE
REFERRED FOR...
AND AT THE LAST MEETING, IT WAS,
THERE WAS THE VARYING OPINIONS
ON WHETHER,
>> AREN'T YOU HAVING FUN?
>> ...WE SHOULD BE CONDUCTING
REAL PLANS.
I WANT FURTHER DIRECTION OF
WHERE SHOULD WE GO FROM HERE?
[CHUCKLING]
>> WELCOME TO THE TPO,
MS. ARONSON.
>> YOU'RE DOING A WONDERFUL,
[LAUGHTER] WONDERFUL JOB, CHAIR.
THIS IS COMPLICATED STUFF,
THAT'S FOR SURE.
IT'S PETERISMS. IT'S FINE.
WE ALL KNOW THEM BY NOW, YOU'LL
GET USED TO THEM.
[LAUGHTER]
>> I'M LEARNING TO SPEAK PETER.
[LAUGHTER]
>> PETER KNOWS WE LOVE HIM.
>> ALL RIGHT, SO WHAT DO
YOU NEED FROM US?
>> DO YOU WANT TO INCLUDE THE
FREIGHT RAIL PLANNING EFFORTS
IN THIS PARTICULAR UNIFIED
PLANNING WORK PROGRAM?
>> I THINK THE COMMISSION
HAS AN OPINION ON THAT.
[UNINTELLIGIBLE]
>> OH, GOOD.
>> I DON'T KNOW.
>> SO, YEAH.
>> ANYONE THAT, THEIR...
YOU MISSED IT.
I WAS VERY PASSIONATE.
IT WAS VERY STEPHANIE MORGAN
REMINISCENT OF THE PASSION.
>> IT WAS.
>> I, ADAMANTLY OPPOSED US DOING
A RAIL STUDY SPENDING ANY MONEY
TO HELP FEC IN ANY WAY, SHAPE,
OR FORM.
THEIR RAIL ACTIVITIES
ARE NOT MY PRIORITY.
YOU KNOW WHAT?
MIAMI-DADE, FIX YOUR
TRASH PROBLEM.
STOP SENDING YOUR TRASH UP HERE.
SO, I DO-
THAT IS NOT OUR PRIORITY TO SEE
HOW FEC CAN FUNCTION
AND EXPAND THEIR RAIL SERVICES,
IN MY HUMBLE OPINION.
>> WHY DO WE TAKE THEIR TRASH?
>> AND COMMISSIONER FOWLER MADE
A GOOD POINT
THAT EVEN IF WE DID SOLVE
ALL THEIR PROBLEMS,
THE CHANCE THAT THEY WOULD
LISTEN TO US...
>> NO, I'M SURE.
>> NEVER.
>> THEY'RE... SORRY.
THE COUNCIL... [INAUDIBLE]
SO THEIR INCINERATOR BROKE
IN '21 OR '22,
AND IT STILL HAS NEVER BEEN
FIXED, SO IN THE MEANTIME...
>> I MEAN, DO WE HAVE
TO ACCEPT IT?
>> WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONTROL.
>> WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONTROL,
AND RIGHT NOW,
THEY'RE ACTUALLY IN THE PROCESS
OF PERMITTING ANOTHER
TRANSFER STATION
ADJACENT TO 10 MILE CREEK
AND GEORGE LESTRANGE PRESERVE,
TO BRING ALL THEIR GARBAGE THERE
AND CONTINUE TAKING MORE GARBAGE
BECAUSE OKEECHOBEE COUNTY GETS
$6 MILLION A YEAR IN FUNDS
FROM TAKING MIAMI-DADE'S TRASH.
>> IT'S PROBABLY, YEAH, WE HAVE
NO CONTROL OVER IT.
>> WOW.
>> COMMISSIONER CLASBY.
>> AND BECAUSE OF THE RAIL
THEY'RE PREEMPTED FROM LOCAL
ZONING.
>> CORRECT.
>> SO IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN
CHANGE THAT STUDY
TO STUDY ON HOW TO MAKE THEM GO
AWAY?
[LAUGHTER]
>> YES!
>> I'M PRETTY SURE THAT'S WHAT
THAT STUDY WOULD BRING US BACK.
>> I ASSERT FOR THAT ONE.
[LAUGHTER]
>> HOW ABOUT WE PUT THE RAILWAYS
IN? [COUGHING]
>> OKAY, SO WOULD, YOU WOULD
LIKE US TO CONSIDER PUTTING IN
POSSIBLY NORTH COUNTY SUB-AREA
TRANSPORTATION NETWORK STUDY
OR THE ST. LUCIE FREIGHT AND
WASTE FALLING ACTIVITY STUDY,
WHICH SOUNDS NOT WELL RECEIVED.
>> YEAH.
WHAT WAS THE DOLLAR AMOUNT ON
THAT ANYWAYS
THAT WE WERE PEGGING TO THAT?
>> WHICH ONE?
>> JUST THE FREIGHT STUDY.
>> OH, THE FREIGHT STUDY,
IT'S ABOUT $60,000.
WHAT IT DOES IS,
SO WE HAVE THE ST. LUCIE FREIGHT
NETWORK, RIGHT?
AND I'VE HEARD, WE HEARD THAT
THE DISCUSSION
AT THE LAST MEETING WAS ABOUT,
WELL,
REGULATING THE TRUCKS ON THE
PARTICULAR ROADS,
AND WHETHER OR NOT YOU CAN
DO THAT.
AND ALSO HEARD FROM PORT
ST. LUCIE THAT THERE'S CONCERNS
ABOUT VILLAGE PARKWAY AND THE
TRUCKS ON THAT.
AND SO, THIS WOULD FURTHER
IDENTIFY ROADS THAT TRUCKS
SHOULD NOT BE ON,
AND WHAT MORE SUITABLE ROADS
THAT THEY SHOULD TRAVERSE,
AND THEN WHAT WOULD BE
APPROPRIATE TO MARK AS
YOU KNOW, NO TRUCK ZONES,
NO TRUCK ROUTES.
BUT, YOU KNOW, THE KEY TO ALL
THIS
IS WE DISCUSS IN DECEMBER
IS ENFORCEMENT.
SO IT HAVE TO BE THE LAW
ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES
THAN WRITING TICKETS FOR THOSE
WHO ARE VIOLATING THOSE
RESTRICTIONS.
>> SO MADAM CHAIR.
MY ONLY ISSUE WITH EVEN
DOING THAT IS
IF THEY ARE MOVING FORWARD
UNRESTRICTED BUILDING
A NEW INTERMODAL
WHERE WE DON'T WANT THEM TO.
I MEAN, WOULD THIS ALL JUST BE
FOR NOTHING AT THAT POINT?
>> NOT IF IT'S A LOCAL ROAD.
IT'S A LOCAL ROAD, IT'S UP TO
THE LOCAL JURISDICTIONS,
IF IT'S A DESIGNATED AS EITHER
FREIGHT ROUTE OR NOT,
AND THEN TO PUT UP SIGNS
APPROPRIATELY AND THEN TO
ENFORCE ACCORDINGLY.
SO, YOU HAVE THAT AUTHORITY ON
THE LOCAL ROADWAY NETWORK
IF ITS OFFICE STATE SYSTEM
TO IDENTIFY
WHERE TRUCKS WILL HAVE
THE LEAST IMPACT.
>> BUT I'M SAYING BY THE TIME
THE STUDY'S DONE,
THEY MAY HAVE ALREADY BUILT
A NEW TRANSFER STATION,
AND IT'S COMPLETELY NOT EVEN
AN ISSUE.
>> IF THAT'S KEY, WE'LL ENSURE
WE'LL GET THE STUDY DONE
THE FIRST YEAR OF THE UPWP,
AND I DON'T THINK THEY'LL BE
ABLE TO BUILD A TRANSFER STATION
IN A YEAR.
>> OKAY.
AND THEN THE WALTON SCRUB,
IS THAT THE PLAN TO PUT
A PEDESTRIAN PATHWAY
UNDER INDIAN RIVER DRIVE?
>> UNDER, OVER, AT GRADE, THAT'S
WHAT THE STUDY WILL DETERMINE.
OR IF AT ALL, IT MIGHT BE THAT
IT'S NOT,
WHICH IS NOT NECESSARILY A BAD
RESULT OF A STUDY,
IF IT FINDS OUT IT'S NOT
FEASIBLE, NOT APPROPRIATE,
THEN THAT'S AN
APPROPRIATE STUDY-
OUTCOME OF A STUDY AS WELL.
>> AND JUST, IF I'M, UM,
MADAM CHAIR, MADAM MAYOR CORRECT
ME IF I'M WRONG,
I THINK THAT PROPERTY...
I DON'T KNOW, IT WAS A WHILE
AGO,
BUT I THINK THAT WE ENDED UP...
WE HAVE THAT PROPERTY OR IS
GIVEN TO US BY THE COUNTY.
WE PURCHASED IT.
I CAN REMEMBER...
IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE
WHERE THE WALTON SCRUB IS
BECAUSE I THOUGHT THAT WAS...
>> IT'S PSO.
>> THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.
>> WE SPEND IMPACT FEES IN PSO.
[CHUCKLING]
>> AND SO I KNOW IT'S BEEN
A LONG-TERM PLAN FOR THE PARKS,
I REMEMBER THEM TALKING TO ME
ABOUT IT,
AND THEY REALLY WANTED TO SEE
THAT TOWER.
SO, IT'S BEEN IN THE WORKS
FOR A WHILE.
>> YEAH.
>> AND SO, I THINK IT'S GOOD
TO ADD IT IF WE CAN.
IT'S GONNA BE NEAT.
ACTUALLY, I THINK IT'S GONNA BE,
NOT A NATURE WATCHER,
BUT I THINK THAT THERE'S GONNA
BE A LOT OF NATURE WATCHING
AND A LOT OF BIRDWATCHING.
SO I SAID, WHO USES IT?
LIKE, WILL THEY ABLE TO DO
BIRDWATCHING AND STUFF,
MADAM VICE MAYOR?
I'M LIKE, "OH."
[LAUGHTER]
>> THAT'S A VERY NICE
$1 MILLION TALK.
>> IT SOUNDS LIKE...
>> I THOUGHT IT WAS A FIRE
LOOKOUT WHEN THEY SHOWED ME.
[LAUGHTER]
>> IT IS, TOO.
OKAY, SO THE VICE MAYOR HAS
EXPRESSED INTEREST
IN ADDING THE STUDY IN
FOR THE, THE...
>> THE WALTON SCRUB.
COMMISSIONER CLASBY, DO YOU HAVE
ANY OPINION ON THAT?
>> WHAT ARE WE GOING TO STUDY?
I MEAN, IT'S...
>> THE FEASIBILITY OF GETTING
THAT ACROSS INDIAN RIVER DRIVE.
>> YEAH.
BASICALLY GETTING PEDESTRIANS
FROM THE TOWER SIDE
OVER TO THE WATER SIDE TO BE
ABLE TO FISH AND WHATNOT.
>> AND NO, WE'RE NOT BUILDING
A BRIDGE.
LET'S MAKE SURE IT'S JUST
CROSSING THE RIVER DRIVE.
IT'S JUST A...
>> IT'S NOT GOING ACROSS INDIAN
RIVER. ... LITTLE PATHWAY.
[LAUGHTER]
>> JUST THE DRIVE.
>> EXACTLY.
PEOPLE MIGHT GET EXCITED.
>> RIGHT?
I CAN HEAR YOU. MAKE SURE THAT'S
IN THE RECORD.
>> THAT'S WHY I WAS BEING CLEAR.
>> [LAUGHTER] YEAH.
>> AND MAKE SURE YOU
CLARIFY THAT
THAT THAT IS THE COUNTY,
NOT THE CITY.
WHAT, THE OVER INDIAN RIVER
DRIVE?
>> IF THEY WERE TO DO A BRIDGE.
THAT WOULD BE THE IRONY.
>> THAT'S ALRIGHT.
THAT'S A COUNTY.
>> I'VE HAD THAT DISCUSSION.
>> I DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH
THE WALTON SCRUB PRESERVE
PROTECTION
BECAUSE ONE OF THE TOP THINGS
OUR RESIDENTS ARE ASKING US FOR
IS MORE GREEN SPACE,
MORE OPPORTUNITY TO CONNECT
WITH THE RIVER,
MORE OPPORTUNITY TO GET OUT IN
NATURE.
AND SO THIS COULD PROVIDE THAT
ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY.
SO FOR ME, THAT'S WORTH IT,
ESPECIALLY SINCE IT'S A NUMBER
ONE PRIORITY
IN OUR COMMUNITY SURVEYS THAT
WE GET. UM,
I DON'T-
I DON'T LIKE THE WASTE HAULING
SECTION OF THAT
BUT THE FREIGHT AND WASTE
HAULING... UM..
BUT THE FREIGHT IS A LITTLE BIT
DIFFERENT STORY
BECAUSE THERE'S MORE TO IT THAN
JUST THE WASTE HAULING SIDE.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME,
GOING BACK TO
THE LAW ENFORCEMENT ASPECT,
WE'RE NEVER GOING TO HAVE ENOUGH
OFFICERS ON THE ROAD
TO SIT AND REGULATE ALL THESE
TRUCKS, LET'S BE HONEST.
AND THEY'RE PUBLIC ROADS, RIGHT?
AND SO, AND AS FAR AS OUR
SOUTHWEST INITIATION AREA,
THE SPINE ROAD IS BUILT.
I MEAN, WE HAVE TRUCKS ON
VILLAGE PARKWAY
COMING ACROSS RANGE LINE NOW,
WHICH HAVE TRIGGERED BECKER,
A PORTION OF BECKER, ALREADY.
AND IT'S JUST GOING TO HAPPEN.
SO I MEAN, I GET IT, BUT ALSO,
YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN'T
REGULATE IT,
THEN WHY ARE WE GOING TO WASTE
THE MONEY ON IT?
>> OKAY.
SO, I'M HEARING ALL KINDS
OF SUPPORT
FOR WALTON SCRUB PRESERVE
PEDESTRIAN CONNECTION STUDY,
WHICH IS RELATIVELY INEXPENSIVE
IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN,
MR. BUCHWALD?
>> I PREDICT, PROJECTED
AT $40,000.
>> AWW, IT'S NOT THAT
INEXPENSIVE. HEH.
>> I WOULD ALSO VOICE...
>> COMMISSIONER?
>> I WOULD ALSO WAIVE
IN SUPPORT.
I WOULD ALSO VOICE SUPPORT
FOR THE WALTON SCRUB
BECAUSE IT'S BEEN A BIG
INVESTMENT ALREADY.
WE MIGHT AS WELL GO AHEAD
AND MAKE THE CONNECTION ACROSS
THE DRIVE SAFER.
I DO HAVE, WHAT IS THE NORTH
COUNTY SUB AREA
TRANSPORTATION NETWORK STUDY
SPECIFICALLY?
>> SO THAT WAS SUGGESTED BY
PUBLIC WORKS STAFF
WITH THE COUNTY
BECAUSE OF THIS AREA HERE
THAT THE COUNTY
HAS RECEIVED A LOT OF
DEVELOPMENT APPLICATIONS
FOR THE AREA
WEST OF THE INTERCHANGE BETWEEN
95 AND INDRIO ROAD.
DAN, DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO
SPEAK TO THAT?
>> IS THAT THE TBC, DAN?
>> CORRECT.
>> THAT'S OUTSIDE OF THAT.
>> DAN'S OUR ROUTE COUNTY
ENGINEER.
THIS AREA HAS A LOT OF GROWTH
COMING.
WE KNOW THERE'S THE BUC-EE'S.
THERE'S ALSO A LARGE COMMERCIAL
DEVELOPMENT
ON THE OTHER SIDE OF INDRIO
ROAD.
ALL THAT'S EAST OF 95.
WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF ACTIVITY
AND INTEREST FROM
THE PROPERTY OWNERS WEST
OF 95 NOW.
THEY'RE ALL STARTING TO LOOK AT
WHAT THEY WANT TO DO IN THE
FUTURE
AND THERE'S NO ROADWAY NETWORK
OUT THERE AT ALL.
SO WE REALLY NEED TO GET AHEAD
OF IT
AND TRY AND PLAN WHERE WE NEED
ROADWAYS.
COUNTY HAS THE RIGHT OF WAY
PROTECTION MAP
THAT KIND OF PUT SOME OF THOSE
ROADS,
BUT WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND
THE AREA MUCH BETTER,
WORK WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS.
A LOT OF THEM ARE LARGE TRACKS
OF LAND OUT THERE.
WE REALLY NEED THE HELP OF THE
TPO TO KIND OF PLAN THAT AREA,
TRY AND GET AHEAD OF IT.
>> COST OF THAT STUDY,
MR. BUCHWALD?
>> I PREDICT...
I PROJECT ABOUT 80,000,
MAYBE CLOSER TO ON THE NORTH
SIDE OF 80,000
BECAUSE OF THE EXPANSE
OF THE AREA
BESIDES THE AREA OF
THE COORDINATION THAT'S IN
THE WORKS.
>> SO WE HAVE 60,000 RELIEF FROM
ELIMINATING THE FREIGHT RAIL
PLANNING,
AND SO THIS PROJECT WOULD COST
AN ADDITIONAL 20,000 DOLLARS
IN EXPENSE
OR WE COULD GO WITH THE OTHER
PROJECT WHICH IS $20,000 LESS.
>> I DON'T THINK IT'S A QUESTION
OF DECIDING DOLLARS AT THIS
POINT
BECAUSE THEN WHEN WE TAKE BACK
THE IDEAS,
WE'LL MAKE IT WORK, YOU KNOW,
FROM THE BUDGET STANDPOINT.
AND THIS IS, CUZ IT'S JUST,
IT'S JUST WHETHER OR NOT...
>> DON'T YOU HAVE A BUDGET LINE
ITEM FOR THIS?
>> HUH?
>> DON'T YOU HAVE A BUDGET
LINE ITEM FOR THIS?
>> NO, WE HAVE, WE'RE PUTTING
TOGETHER THE PLAN NOW.
THIS IS JUST WE'RE GONNA
PUT TOGETHER,
BRING IT TO YOU FOR YOUR REVIEW
AND BACK IN APRIL.
>> SO WE'RE SUGGESTING IDEAS
BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO PURSUE
AN IDEA
AND PUT IN A PLAN IF YOU DON'T
CARE FOR IT.
>> CAN I ASK A CLARIFYING
QUESTION ON THE NETWORK COUNTY
SUB AREA?
I UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE
THE BUC-EE'S AND THE COMMERCIAL
LOCATIONS,
BUT THE ADDITIONAL PLOTS OF
LAND, IS THAT ALREADY ENTITLED
PROPERTY?
MEANING COUNTIES ARE READY
TO APPROVE UNITS?
>> IN THE TBC, SOME OF IT.
>> NOTHING APPROVED WEST
BUT EVERY...
SO YOU'VE GOT BEDNAR FARM 650K
OF COMMERCIAL
ALONG WITH 300 AND SOMETHING
SINGLE FAMILY HOMES,
TOWN HOMES, MULTIFAMILY.
INDRIO GROVES, IMMEDIATELY EAST
OF SPANISH LAKES UP THERE.
A THOUSAND ACRES LOOKING TO COME
IN WITH THE POTENTIAL
OF THREE DWELLING UNITS, SO
3,000 HOMES THERE,
WHICH THEY'RE GETTING READY TO
COME IN IN FRONT OF US.
>> BUT THAT HASN'T BEEN APPROVED
ENTITLEMENTS YET.
>> IT HASN'T, BUT IT'S...
>> BUT THEY'RE ALL COMING WITH
DEVELOPER ROADS,
WITH INFRASTRUCTURE, RIGHT?
>> WE'RE GETTING DEVELOPMENTS...
>> THEY'RE PUSHING BACK,
TRUST ME,
THEY'RE TRYING TO DO A LOT
OF PUSHBACKS.
>> WELL, AND THAT'S WHY I'M
ASKING BECAUSE OF THE TIMING,
NOT THAT I'M OPPOSED TO
SUPPORTING THE COUNTY IN
THIS PARTICULAR ENDEAVOR
AND DOING THE SUB AREA STUDY.
I MEAN, WE ARE ONE
ST. LUCIE COUNTY.
I THINK MY CONCERN IS IS THAT...
AND I ONLY THINK, I DON'T KNOW
IF THIS EVEN AFFECTS THE CITY,
I'M JUST SHARING INFORMATION.
UM, IS IS THAT IF WE'RE TRYING
TO FIGURE OUT A ROAD NETWORK
FOR THE DEVELOPER ROADS AND
YOU'RE DOING THOSE AGREEMENTS
LIVE RIGHT NOW,
YOU KNOW, IS THIS STUDY GOING TO
BE FAST ENOUGH
FOR YOU TO HAVE THE INFORMATION
YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO
NEGOTIATE?
>> I MEAN, BECAUSE IT'S A GOOD
TOOL FOR THEM TO HAVE FOR SURE.
>> RIGHT. ABSOLUTELY.
>> BUT VALIDITY IS, IS IT GOING
TO BE TIMELY ENOUGH?
>> THAT'S MY CONCERN.
>> WELL, AND I MEAN,
ONE THING I-
SO, AND NOTHING, NOTHING
APPROVED OR ENTITLED WEST,
BUT LIKE DAN SAID, I KNOW
THERE'S,
I THINK LIKE A 3200 ACRE PARCEL
OFF OF INDRIO.
THEY'RE ALREADY WANTING TO SPEED
AHEAD AND GET IMPROVEMENTS.
AND THEY'RE WHAT, THREE-FOUR
MILES OUTSIDE OF THE USB
AND ALL THE THING IN THE MIDDLE
OF NOWHERE.
>> HOW LONG WOULD
THE STUDY TAKE?
>> SO, IS IT...
>> MADAM CHAIR.
>> YEAH.
>> SO, IT MAKES SENSE
IF YOU GUYS ARE WILLING TO SLOW
WALK WHAT'S HAPPENING
IN ORDER TO GET THE RIGHT
INFORMATION
AND TO HAVE THE TOOLS
IN PLACE TO BE ABLE TO SAY,
"HEY, THIS STUDY SHOWS YOU,
IF YOU WANT TO BRING IN 3,200
HOMES,
YOU NEED TO DO XYZ123
FOR ROAD INFRASTRUCTURE."
IF YOU GUYS ARE GOING
DOWN THAT PATH,
IT MAKES SENSE TO SPEND
THE MONEY ON IT,
AND IT HELPS YOUR STAFF AS WELL.
IF NOT, IF THIS IS ALL FOREGONE
CONCLUSION, LIKE VICE MAYOR
IS SAYING,
IT'S NOT WORTH US TO SPEND
THE MONEY.
SO, WE NEED TO KIND OF KNOW WHAT
IS THE COUNTY PLAN.
>> AND DON'T FORGET, THERE'S
STATE MANDATED TIME FRAMES.
>> OH, DON'T FORGET THOSE
FUN THINGS.
>> MADAM CHAIR, SO I THINK SOME
OF THIS IS
WEST OF THE URBAN SERVICES
BOUNDARY,
SO I DON'T THINK THAT THIS, THIS
STUDY WOULD BE DONE WAY SOONER
THAN WE MOVED THE URBAN SERVICES
BOUNDARY WEST AGAIN.
I'M PRETTY SURE.
>> IS THAT TRUE?
>> IS THAT ACCURATE?
>> THAT'S ACCURATE. YEAH.
PART OF THE TBC DOES CARRY OVER
A LITTLE BIT TO THE WEST.
AND WE DO HAVE
A 300-AND-SOMETHING ACRE MINE
THAT'S GOING OUT THERE, TOO.
>> A WHAT?
>> A MINE, A NEW AGGREGATE MINE.
SO WE HAVE SOME DEVELOPMENTS
THAT ARE DEFINITELY COMING
SUMMER
AND PRE-APP, THEY'RE JUST ASKING
WHAT IFS
AND STARTING TO TELL US WHERE
THEY WANT ROADS.
BUT WE'VE LEARNED FROM THE CITY,
YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN THROUGH THIS,
SO THIS IS,
WE'RE TRYING TO GET AHEAD OF IT
AND LEARN FROM WHAT YOU GUYS
WENT THROUGH.
>> I'M ALL FOR IT THEN.
IF THIS IS GONNA HELP YOU, GUYS,
AND I'M ALL FOR IT.
>> COUNCILWOMAN MORGAN,
GOT A COMMENT?
>> OH, YEAH.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE
AND THEN IN THE NORTH COUNTY,
I DON'T THINK...
>> HOLD ON.
>> OH, THAT'S ALL RIGHT.
>> COUNCILWOMAN MORGAN.
[LAUGHTER]
>> I CAN'T SEE THAT FAR DOWN
AGAIN. [LAUGHTER]
I CAN'T SEE.
>> WELL, NO, SHE SAID
COUNCILWOMAN MORGAN.
SO THE BUC-EE'S HAS BEEN
APPROVED.
BEDNOR FARMS HAS BEEN APPROVED.
UM, AND YOU SAID THE OTHER ONE.
>> INDRIO 95?
>> INDRIO. YEAH.
BUT THIS IS, BUT I'M IN A GRANT,
SO IF THIS IS GOING TO HELP
STAFF AND HELP THE COUNTY,
YOU'RE GOING TO NEED IT BECAUSE
WE'RE ALL GOING TO BE BUFFED
AND THAT'S A SINK.
>> YES. >> YES.
>> YUP. ABSOLUTELY.
>> IT'S BETTER TO PLAN THAN
TO FAIL.
>> I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SHOULD
ASSUME THAT
MORE DEVELOPMENT WILL BE BEING
APPROVED
WEST OF THE URBAN SERVICES
BOUNDARY.
>> WELL...
>> YOU DON'T KNOW.
>> I MEAN, I HEAR YOU BUT I
WOULD SAY THAT [RAPID CROSSTALK]
>> I WOULDN'T ASSUME IT, WOODY.
>> YES, IT JUST MATTERS.
JUST WHEN WILL IT HAPPEN?
>> I WOULDN'T ASSUME IT NOW.
>> IT'S BETTER TO BE PREPARED
THAN NOT. >> THAT'S RIGHT.
>> OKAY, SO I SEE, I'M HEARING
INTEREST IN BOTH
THE NORTH COUNTY SUB AREA
AND THE WALTON ROAD...
>> SCRUB.
>> I DON'T WANT TO CA-, SCRUB.
I DON'T WANT TO CALL IT
A BRIDGE.
IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A BRIDGE.
IT'S SAYING TO ME BRIDGE.
OKAY, WALTON ROAD.
SO THERE'S TWO OF INTEREST,
ONE NOT.
WE'RE NOT INTERESTED
IN THE RAIL.
I NEED A MOTION.
>> MOTION TO APPROVE AS STATED
BY THE CHAIR.
>> IS THAT A MOTION ITEM?
>> I HAVE WHAT I, I HAVE
DIRECTION FROM THE BOARD.
>> OKAY, THERE YOU GO.
>> THANK ME FOR YOUR DIRECTION.
[LAUGHTER]
THANK YOU FOR YOUR DIRECTION.
[RAPID CROSSTALK]
[LAUGHTER]
>> OH, YOU'RE GOOD, CLARISSA.
GO, GIRL.
>> IT'S BEEN DISCUSSED.
THANK YOU FOR THAT.
[LAUGHTER]
ALL RIGHT, SO WE'RE GOOD.
WE'RE MOVING ON.
WHAT'S OUR LAST ITEM?
[CLUTTERING]
>> I THINK THAT WAS
THE LAST ITEM.
>> THAT WAS THE LAST ITEM.
>> FDOT.
>> FDOT. I DON'T KNOW.
>> NOT YET.
>> FDOT COMMENTS.
I COULDN'T FIND MY AGENDA.
YOU, GUYS, SAID IT WAS
THE LAST ITEM.
I WAS GOING WITH IT.
>> THEY HAVE NO COMMENTS
AT THIS.
>> THEY HAVE NO COMMENTS.
THANK YOU.
I HAVE 3000 PAPERS UP HERE.
RECOMMENDATIONS,
COMMENTS BY MEMBERS.
>> CAN I?
>> YEAH.
COUNCIL WOMAN MORGAN FEELS
GREAT.
>> YEAH, I GE-, I'M BECOMING
VERY MOUTHY ON THIS BOARD.
UM...
>> WHAT'S CHANGED?
[HYSTERICAL LAUGHTER]
>> JUST THIS WAY. JUST THIS WAY.
>> HAVE YOU BEEN MISSING
OR SOMETHING?
[HYSTERICAL LAUGHTER]
>> I LOVE YOU, GUYS.
[RAPID CROSSTALK] [LAUGHTER]
UM,
I JUST WANTED TO THROW OUT A FEW
WORDS.
>> OH, BOY.
>> CAN WE TAKE NOTES?
>> YEAH.
>> I GOT, [CROSSTALK]
I GOT MY NOTES.
>> DO YOU WANT TO TAKE NOTES?
>> OH, NO, YOU DON'T HAVE TO.
>> OKAY.
>> UM... HANDS FREE.
WOOH!
[LAUGHTER]
AND I GUESS THIS IS BEING
DIRECTED TO...
ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO LISTEN,
BUT ESPECIALLY TO DOT.
ALSO, E-BIKES AND SCOOTERS,
I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A...
I'M SURE IT'S GOING TO BE COMING
LOCALLY,
BUT THEY'RE GETTING OUT OF HAND.
AND IT'S DANGEROUS,
AND IT'S SCARY, AND I CAN'T SAY
ANYTHING ELSE
BECAUSE I MIGHT SAY
A FOUR-LETTER WORD.
THE LAST THING I'M GOING TO
MENTION IS,
AND THIS IS, IS GOING TO BE
DIRECTED TO DOT IN THE COUNTY
AND I NOTICED THAT PATRICK'S
NOT HERE
AND HE'S PROBABLY LISTENING.
HELLO, PATRICK.
I WANT THE TRAFFIC LIGHT
AT MIDWAY
AND JENKINS/MILNER.
IT IS IMPERATIVE THAT WE GET
THAT LIGHT DONE SOONER
THAN LATER.
IT IS DANGEROUS.
AND WE HAVE A FIRE STATION THERE
THAT CANNOT GET ACROSS BECAUSE
DRIVER BEHAVIOR
WILL NOT STOP FOR THOSE
BIG RED MACHINES
WITH THE FLASHING LIGHTS
AND "OOOOH" SOUNDS.
WE NEED A LIGHT FOR THE SAFETY.
I DID FIND A SIGNED PAPER THAT
WAS SIGNED BY MIKE PALLY,
WHICH THAT'S REALLY GOING WAY
BACK WHEN,
THAT SAYS IT WAS WARRANTED
TO HAVE A LIGHT THERE
AND THAT WAS BACK IN THE DAY
OF THE TWO-LANE ROAD.
WE NEED A TRAFFIC LIGHT
AT THAT LOCATION.
>> WE JUST GAVE MIDWAY TO THEM.
>> THAT'S WHY I DIRECTED
IT TO DOT,
BUT IT'S ALSO THE COUNTY TOO AND
I NEED SOME HELP
AND I NEED SOME BACKUP FROM
THE COUNTY,
AND I'LL PULL OUT THE LETTER
WHENEVER IT'S NEEDED
THAT'S SIGNED.
PLEASE.
>> OH, CHAIR, CAN YOU ADDRESS
THAT? I WILL WANT [INAUDIBLE].
>> WE CAN TALK AFTER.
I DON'T WANT TO DELAY.
WE CAN TALK AFTER.
>> I JUST WANT ON THE RECORD
THE DOT,
CAUSE THIS IS A DOT ROAD NOW.
>> IT IS A DOT ROAD AS OF
THE 27TH.
>> THE LOCAL GOVERNMENTS
HAS EXPRESSED INTEREST
FOR THE NEED FOR
A TRAFFIC LIGHT.
>> THANK YOU.
>> DO YOU NEED ANYTHING FURTHER
IS REALLY WHAT I WANT TO KNOW?
>> I DON'T, CHAIR, I DON'T-
BOARD, I DON'T THINK WE NEED
ANYTHING FURTHER.
I'LL TAKE THIS BACK.
>> OKAY, SO YOU'RE GOING
TO HAVE IT.
WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE
IT INSTALLED?
>> UM, I...
[HYSTERICAL LAUGHTER]
I PROMISE I WILL TAKE IT BACK.
>> OKAY.
>> AND I'LL LET THEM KNOW.
>> THANK YOU.
>> I PROMISE.
>> I WAS GOING TO SAY LET'S
DISCUSS THAT FIRE BOARD.
WHERE ARE MY FIRE BOARD MEMBERS
HERE?
AND WE CAN ALWAYS DO A LETTER,
RIGHT? TO DOT.
>> YEAH. THEY HAVE. THEY HAVE.
>> BUT MAYBE THEY NEED
THE UPDATED ONE.
>> CAN WE DO A LETTER TO
THE TPO AS WELL?
>> IT'S NOT THE TPO, IT'S DOT.
>> WE CAN PRESSURE THEM.
>> RIGHT, WE CAN REISSUE
THE LETTER OF TRUST.
>> TRUE, TRUE, TRUE. VERY TRUE.
>> LET'S TALK ABOUT IT.
>> OKAY, VERY GOOD.
>> THANK YOU.
>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS
FROM THE BOARD MEMBERS?
>> NO.
>> THANK YOU.
>> MEETING ADJOURNED.